The best AI tools for law firms—and how to use them 

The very notion of AI for litigators has moved from a scary, futuristic concept to a daily reality. Whether you’re drafting documents, managing cases, or communicating with clients, AI-powered tools are becoming an integral part of litigation practice. 

That means now is the time for litigators to understand both the benefits and the risks of using artificial intelligence in legal practice. Used well, AI can automate repetitive tasks, improve efficiency, and reduce errors. Used poorly, it can put your practice and your clients at risk. 

Before you use AI for litigation 

Before diving into specific tools, it’s important to understand the overall tech environment we’re facing. Not all AI is created equal. Be thoughtful about how, when, and why you bring artificial intelligence into your practice. 

Know the difference between general and legal-specific AI 

There’s a big gap between consumer-facing AI platforms like ChatGPT and intentionally built AI tools for litigation. You can use both. Just not in the same ways. 

General large language models (LLMs) can be useful for low-risk tasks such as summarizing non-sensitive text or generating first drafts of internal content. But they are “black box” systems, which means you have limited visibility into how data is processed or stored.  

By contrast, litigation-focused tools like Lexis+ AI, CoCounsel, or InfoTrack Intelligence are built with security, compliance, and attorney workflows in mind. Litigation tools with AI are less likely to create ethical pitfalls because they’re specifically engineered to handle sensitive legal data. 

Establish a firm-wide AI policy 

Even the best AI for litigation can cause problems if attorneys use it inconsistently. Every law firm should have a clear policy outlining acceptable and unacceptable use cases for AI. A good policy typically addresses: 

• Data security: Never input privileged or client-sensitive information into consumer LLMs. 

• Transparency: Attorneys and staff should disclose when AI was used in the creation of a document. 

• Policy: Which platforms are sanctioned by the firm and under what circumstances. 

Be realistic about the risks 

Headlines about AI “hallucinations” and ethical slip-ups are hard to ignore, but most risks are manageable if you use AI responsibly. The key is understanding limitations (and Ethics Opinions on the issue). 

AI is not a substitute for legal reasoning, and it should never replace attorney oversight. By setting guardrails early, litigators can reduce risk and still reap the benefits of efficiency. 

The best AI tools for litigation 

When you’re evaluating AI for your litigation practice, it helps to start with tools designed specifically for legal work because they carry less risk and deliver more direct value. 

InfoTrack Intelligence 

A leader in litigation tools, InfoTrack Intelligence enables firms to file in 30 seconds or less with far fewer rejections. 

How? When you select your legal documents for filing, the tool uses AI to read and understand those documents. Then, it populates the eFiling fields, including the document types and filing codes to route your submission to the right place. 

The first firms that switched from traditional eFiling to InfoTrack Intelligence saw mind-blowing results. 

Instead of a few minutes per filing, the entire eFiling process takes just 30 seconds. Firms that made the switch experienced an instant boost in accuracy, which cut their eFiling rejections in half. 

InfoTrack also automates expense tracking, integrates with case management systems, and even allows you to order a process serve in under 20 seconds. For litigators juggling multiple deadlines, the time savings and reduction in manual errors can be transformative. 

Assembly Neos 

Assembly’s Neos platform is a powerful case management system that uses AI to streamline litigation workflows. 

Your daily tasks like document management, calendaring, and client intake are all simpler with Neos. It’s especially powerful for firms that want to establish a workflow and keep everyone in the firm accountable. 

One area where Neos is particularly strong is client communications. 

You can’t (and shouldn’t) automate human connection. But there’s a lot of stuff that goes into intake and client communication on top of the actual conversations, right? 

Neos uses AI to help clients answer their own routine questions about the case. The AI can also quickly summarize what’s happened so far to get you up to speed immediately — a major relief when you’ve got a client on the phone waiting for answers. 

Ironclad 

While best known as a contract lifecycle management tool, Ironclad offers AI-driven features for litigation teams such as contract review, document automation, precedent analysis, case evaluation, research, discovery, and pre-trial workflows. 

If you want to use AI to help with contract management, this is one of those applications that should only be done with tools built for the legal industry. 

Ironclad has a great reputation when it comes to security standards, just like their name implies. 

Harvey 

One of the most talked-about entrants into legal AI, Harvey has positioned itself as a “copilot” for lawyers, with capabilities ranging from drafting memos to analyzing case documents. 

While still evolving, it has gained traction among large firms exploring scalable AI for litigation solutions. 

If you’re exploring Harvey or any similar legal-focused LLMs, do your homework first. Reviews from actual users are mixed, and some people are still concerned about privacy and data security. 

Improvements and updates get released regularly, so if you’re not ready to jump in yet, keep an eye on it. You might change your mind as the team iterates. 

Using non-legal AI tools in litigation 

Even though the above tools can prove invaluable for law firms, there’s a vast array of AI tools that weren’t built with the legal industry in mind. 

General-purpose platforms can save time and boost productivity, but litigators need to approach them with care. 

The guiding principles are simple: never input sensitive or privileged information, understand how your data will be used, and confirm that the tool aligns with your ethical obligations. 

ChatGPT and other large language models (LLMs) 

Tools like ChatGPT, Claude, or Grok are powerful for generating text — but they’re not designed as AI tools for litigation. 

• Good use cases: drafting a first pass of a marketing email, rephrasing content for client newsletters, or editing blog posts. 

• Bad use cases: conducting legal research, analyzing case law, or drafting motions. These tasks require accuracy, and LLMs are prone to “hallucinations” — generating authoritative-sounding, but incorrect, results. In case you’re still tempted, you might take the time to review cases like Mata v. Avianca, Inc., where lawyers were sanctioned for providing the court with legal citations that were manufactured by AI. 

Midjourney and other image generators 

Visual tools like Midjourney can be useful for prototyping law firm advertising campaigns or creating graphics for social media. 

• Good use cases: designing mock-ups for promotional material, brainstorming website visuals. 

• Bad use cases: anything that risks copyright or intellectual property infringement (a growing area of concern for AI-generated art), such as mimicking an existing artist’s style. 

Google NotebookLM 

Google’s NotebookLM is a powerful tool designed to summarize large sets of notes or documents. 

For litigators, it could be used cautiously to synthesize non-privileged material, such as stacks of case law and law review articles on any issue you’re researching. 

However, because it’s still an experimental Google product, review your data-handling policies before incorporating it into litigation workflows. 

AI notetakers like Otter.ai 

AI-driven transcription tools like Otter.ai can be extremely useful for internal meetings or non-confidential brainstorming sessions. 

• Good use cases: creating searchable transcripts of team meetings, capturing key points in project updates. 

• Bad use cases: recording privileged client conversations or sensitive strategy discussions. Not only could this risk data exposure, but some clients may be uncomfortable with AI transcribers present during confidential meetings. 

AI is no longer optional in modern law firms — it’s part of the evolving practice of litigation. 

For litigators, the challenge is not whether to use AI, but how to use it responsibly. By starting with legal-specific platforms, establishing clear firm policies, and exercising caution with general-purpose tools, firms can capture the efficiency benefits of AI for litigators while staying within ethical boundaries. 

The process is repeatable. A strong legal podcast grows from clear goals, the right host, a thoughtful format, and reliable production support. This guide outlines the full development process and shows how Legal Talk Network can partner with you from concept to launch.

1. Goal Definition: What do you want the show to achieve

Every strong podcast begins with a clear purpose. For example, New Solo helps lawyers build successful practices and adopt the right technology. Modern Law Library shares book discussions and author interviews that help lawyers think differently about the profession. Each show has a defined mission that guides every episode.

Before producing anything, identify the main goal. Goals determine format, tone, and content direction. These are questions we would start with in a workshop.

Is your podcast meant to:

• Train new lawyers?
• Support members in solo and small firm practice?
• Highlight thought leadership?
• Report on news or analyze the impacts of current events?
• Summarize recent court rulings?
• Build your Bar’s voice in the national conversation?

2. Audience Definition: Who will care about this content

Bar associations often serve many types of members. Your show needs a specific listener profile. For example, Un-Billable Hour focuses on law firm owners, and Thinking Like a Lawyer is designed for lawyers who like humor and commentary on legal culture, with a snarky attitude.

Define who you want to reach and the style you want to deliver your message. Always be thinking about “what is my audience trying to learn?” or “what problems are they trying to solve?” And you have to think about their environment: “What type of content fits their day to day workflow?” Clear audience definition helps the show stay focused and valuable to your audience.

3. Workshopping: Explore ideas and identify pitfalls early

A workshop is where the team collects ideas, tests assumptions, and identifies potential problems. This is the stage where Legal Talk Network uses our Show Development Questionnaire to help teams discover what the show must deliver. Common workshop questions include:

• What unique value does your organization bring?
• Which guests or stories will keep the show relevant?
• Are you equipped to release episodes consistently?
• Is there another show that already fills this space?

Workshopping sharpens the ideas and surfaces challenges before recording begins.

4. Topic Development: Build a list of twelve or more episodes

A successful legal podcast needs a season level plan. Create a list of twelve or more episode topics to test whether the concept has long term strength. For example, the first dozen episodes of Leading the Bar focus on communication, board leadership, member engagement, public trust, and the roles of Bar presidents. This range ensures variety and depth.

If planning a full season feels difficult, the concept may need refining before moving forward.

5. Host Development: Strengthen microphone technique and question design

Lawyers often assume they will naturally excel as podcast hosts because they know a lot of facts or present to clients often. But distilling and curating information to relevant topics and usable context in an entertaining format, or cultivating an interesting interview and exciting dynamic with a guest is its own discipline.

Good hosts guide conversations and help guests sound their best. Legal Talk Network coaches hosts on pacing, preparation, recording technique, and how to ask questions that produce insightful answers. This work creates a smooth listening experience and consistent show identity.

6. Naming and Imaging: Create a clear, recognizable identity

A podcast name and cover image act as the front door for new listeners. Names like Lunch Hour Legal Marketing and For the Innocent tell listeners exactly what they will get. Cover art must be readable at small sizes and visually consistent with your brand.

A good name communicates the purpose, audience, and tone. A strong visual identity increases recognition across podcast apps, websites, and social media.

7. Pilot Episode: Record a complete test episode

A pilot episode reveals how the show works in real conditions. The structure becomes visible. The host settles into their voice. The discussion either holds up or exposes areas for improvement. Legal Talk Network uses pilots to test audio quality, pacing, complexity, and overall value for busy legal professionals.

Pilots often lead to small but important changes that improve the entire season. And you might choose to never air the pilot. It’s your test run and you’ll only get better as your create more episodes.

8. Evaluation: Review what worked and what needs refinement

After completing the pilot, gather feedback. Did the show achieve its goal. Did the host feel natural. Was the conversation valuable for lawyers in the target audience. This is the time to adjust the format, segment flow, intro copy, or guest strategy.

Evaluation ensures that the show moves into production with clarity and confidence.

9. Production: Produce consistent episodes and maintain a reliable schedule

Consistency is one of the strongest predictors of podcast growth. A solid production plan includes scheduling, guest preparation, recording, editing, and quality review. Legal Talk Network manages full production for many legal organizations. This includes sound design, leveling, intro and outro creation, multi track editing, quality control, and distribution to all major platforms.

Our production workflow is the same one used for shows like Lawyer 2 Lawyer, Paralegal Voice, and Leading the Bar.

10. Promotion: Increase awareness and grow listenership

Even excellent podcasts need visibility. Bar associations have a natural advantage through newsletters, websites, events, CLE communications, and committee outreach. Promote new episodes through these channels. Share short audio clips or quote cards on social media. Add the podcast player to your homepage or membership pages.

If your Bar or legal organization wants to develop a podcast that serves your members and elevates your mission, Legal Talk Network can guide you through this full process. We provide strategy, show development, host coaching, production, editing, distribution, and promotion support.

The Dial M for Mystery Shopper Lunch Hour Legal Marketing episode turned into a hot topic inside the LEX Reception team. Why, when it wasn’t one of our receptionists? Because it perfectly illustrated the gap between answering the phone and actually securing the client. The caller’s brother had a serious injury, the phone was answered – and yet eight minutes later, all the client really had was, “We’ll call you back.” That’s a lot of risk, revenue, and reassurance left on the table.

Why We Cared (Even Though It Wasn’t “Us”)

We obsess over outcomes, not just answered calls. When we heard this transcript, we weren’t pointing fingers – we were asking, “How do we help firms get more from any virtual receptionist relationship?” It reinforced a truth we see daily: the best results come when firms and their reception partners actively collaborate on intake strategy, scripts, and escalation processes.

The Hits (and Where They Missed)

Here’s what worked during that call:

• The phone was answered promptly after hours.
• Compassion was expressed (“I’m sorry to hear that”).
• There was follow-up via text and voicemail.

Solid foundation. But top of the class? That’s where things unraveled.

Proactive Reassurance

Compassion was present. Proactive reassurance – “You’re in the right place, here’s what happens next” – wasn’t. Those first seconds set the emotional tone and stop the caller from dialing the next firm.

Lengthy Data Collection

By minute four, the receptionist was still collecting data instead of deciding on a direction. Research questions (county, report numbers) belong after you’ve retained or referred the caller. Acting sooner means greater commitment and trust before hesitation takes hold.

Escalation Triggers

“Truck ran him off the road” should ring every escalation bell. High-value facts demand either an attorney (or closer) on the line immediately or an instant e-sign retainer. Escalation isn’t just about problem-solving; it’s about seizing opportunities.

Next-Step Clarity

“When’s a good time to call you back?” creates leaks in your intake process. Instead, imagine, “I can book you with Attorney Smith tomorrow at 10 am – does that work?” If receptionists don’t have booking access, can’t send out retainers, or lack clarity on next steps (like explaining consultation costs), you’re left paying for a message-taking service, not a client-converting one.

Lost Attribution = Lost Insight

The caller mentioned, “We saw one of your billboards,” yet no one documented it. That’s ROI-critical data lost forever. Every missed attribution is a missed opportunity to understand which marketing channels truly deliver value.  

Turn Your Answering Service into an Intake Engine

Switching providers isn’t always the answer. The magic lies in partnership. Here’s how you can make your virtual reception service work harder for your firm:

• Create Tailored Scripts 

 Ensure your scripts reflect your unique voice, value propositions, and clear next steps. For instance, adding, “We’ve successfully handled seven similar trucking cases this year” reassures callers they’re in good hands.

• Empower Receptionists 

 Give them the tools they need to perform. This includes calendar access, retainer templates, and clear escalation instructions for high-value cases.

• Integrate Your Technology 

 Link caller ID recognition, CRM systems, and marketing attribution fields within your processes to streamline workflows and capture critical data during every call.

• Define Escalation Triggers 

 Be explicit about what warrants an attorney handoff or instant action, such as a catastrophic injury or a commercial vehicle collision.

Quick Fixes You Can Launch Today

• Add reassurance to your opening script. “You’ve called the right place. Here’s what happens next.”
• Ask “How did you hear about us?” on every call and make it mandatory to store the answer.
• Push detailed research questions (e.g., medical details) to the post-retention phase.
• Ensure your receptionists can book consultations in real-time.
• Establish escalation triggers and their corresponding actions (e.g., serious injuries or major hesitations about fees).

Finally, mystery-shop yourself. Quarterly call reviews give you actionable insights. Don’t guess what’s happening; listen.

The Takeaway (and an Invitation)

Answering the phone is only step one. Securing clients requires empathy, authority, speed, and an airtight reception strategy. Don’t aim for “good enough” intake. Aim for seamless, client-converting processes every call, every time.

Want to stress-test your own intake?

Book a 15‑minute Intake Review Call with LEX Reception https://lexappointments.setmore.com/?utm_source=partnership&utm_medium=legal-talk-network 

Intake isn’t a checkbox. It’s a managed, measured, ever-improving process. Let’s make your first impression unforgettable – and unbeatable.

Author

Skylar Worthington, Operations Director, LEX Reception

Skylar Worthington began her journey at LEX Reception with the intention of a short-term role, but quickly found a workplace rooted in purpose and growth. Starting by answering client calls for law firms, she embraced development opportunities that led her to her current role as Operations Director. In this position, Skylar is dedicated to ensuring every client interaction upholds LEX’s standard of excellence.

Petaluma, CA — September 9, 2025 – Legal Talk Network is proud to announce the third season of For the Innocent, the podcast about wrongful convictions sharing exoneree stories and raising awareness about flaws in the criminal justice system. Season 3 launches on September 9 with a powerful premiere episode featuring Amanda Knox, whose case became one of the most widely publicized wrongful convictions in recent history.

“Being the girl accused of murder is not an identity, and it’s not me—but it is a thing that happened to me,” Knox shares. “I’ve had to rediscover myself while also being under an incredibly intense spotlight that has not left me room to be a human being who makes mistakes.”

Unlike other true crime shows, For the Innocent pairs gripping personal stories with expert legal analysis to uncover how wrongful convictions happen—and what legal reforms are necessary to prevent them. Each episode blends the resilience of exonerees with commentary from attorneys, scholars, and advocates, with both emotional impact and a deeper understanding of the justice system.

“Even the most conservative estimates suggest at least five percent of the two million people incarcerated in America may be innocent,” said Michael Semanchik, Executive Director of The Innocence Center and host of For the Innocent. “That means tens of thousands of lives stolen by wrongful convictions. The Innocence Center has helped overturn 43 wrongful convictions, restoring more than 600 years of freedom—but that’s just the tip of the iceberg.”

Listen to the Season 3 Trailer

For The Innocent

Amanda Knox, JJ Velasquez, and More | For The Innocent Season 3 Trailer

“The most compelling part of For the Innocent is the courage of the people we feature,” said Lisa Kirkman, Managing Director, Legal Talk Network. “After losing years of their lives, they share their stories not just to reclaim their voice, but to prevent others from facing the same fate. Season 3 is about giving those stories the widest reach we’ve ever had.”

“Through For the Innocent, Legal Talk Network is committed to giving these stories the platform they deserve,” Semanchik continued. “The show is inspiring people to see the human cost of injustice and to push for change that gets innocent people out of prison.”

This episode of Legal Talk Network’s For the Innocent sheds light on how wrongful convictions affect families and communities, while highlighting resilience, advocacy, and solidarity among exonerees. Knox opens up about rediscovering her purpose and building a new life while finding belonging in the innocence community. Throughout Season 3, For the Innocent will continue to amplify voices too often silenced by injustice, featuring candid conversations with exonerees, legal experts, and advocates working to reform the criminal justice system.

Listen Now to For the Innocent

The new season of For the Innocent is available starting September 9 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and at LegalTalkNetwork.com.

About For the Innocent

For the Innocent is a Legal Talk Network true crime and wrongful conviction podcast dedicated to sharing the human stories behind exonerees. Through powerful interviews with exonerees, advocates, and legal professionals, the show examines systemic flaws, amplifies reform efforts, and honors the resilience of those fighting for justice. 

About The Innocence Center

Fighting for freedom and justice, The Innocence Center works to exonerate the wrongfully convicted and drive lasting criminal justice reform. Through legal advocacy, exoneree support, and public education, they expose systemic flaws and champions fair, accountable practices within the justice system. Executive Director, Michael Semanchik is For the Innocent’s host. 

About Legal Talk Network

Legal Talk Network delivers engaging stories and expert insights that make complex legal issues accessible, actionable. As the leading podcast network for the legal industry, LTN features top attorneys, judges, scholars, and thought leaders across more than two dozen active shows. Covering criminal justice reform, legal technology, ethics, practice management, and access to justice, Legal Talk Network is where the legal community—and those impacted by it—go to learn, connect, and be inspired.

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The Cost of Complacency: Why Law Firms Can’t Ignore Cybersecurity

When it comes to cybersecurity, a passive approach is a risky one. Failing to actively manage and update your IT systems can leave your law firm vulnerable to data breaches, compliance violations, and costly downtime. Proactive IT security isn’t optional—it’s essential for protecting client data, maintaining trust, and staying compliant with legal industry standards.

Why Legal Tech in the Cloud Is Safer Than Ever

Cloud security myths die hard—but the idea that it’s merely “someone else’s computer” is outdated. Today’s leading cloud platforms are engineered with robust cybersecurity at their foundation—designed not just to attract users, but to thrive in a highly regulated, high-risk digital environment.

Industry giants like Amazon AWS, Google Workspace, and Microsoft 365 follow strict international data privacy laws and offer enterprise-grade protection across sectors—including legal. Legal-focused platforms such as Clio and Salesforce have proven their reliability by offering strong security measures and consistently meeting the strict compliance requirements expected by law firms and government agencies alike.

Securing the cloud remains a shared responsibility. While cloud providers supply powerful tools and infrastructure, it’s up to law firms and solo attorneys to configure systems correctly, maintain data privacy, and train their teams on cloud security best practices. When managed properly, cloud-based legal tech delivers both enhanced security and greater efficiency.

Teamwork Makes the Cloud Work with the Shared Responsibility Model

Cloud platforms love to flaunt their compliance credentials—GDPR icons, SOC 2 audit seals, ISO 27001 certifications, and more. And while those badges are impressive, they don’t mean you’re off the hook. Most cloud providers follow a shared responsibility model, meaning security is a team effort between the platform and the law firm.

Think of it like this: your cloud provider built the house—they’ve locked down the walls, doors, and perimeter. But you’re in charge of what happens inside the house. That means managing your keys (aka passwords), locking the windows (access controls), and double-checking who you let in (multifactor authentication). If you leave the front door open, even the best cloud fortress won’t save you.

Cloud security isn’t a “set it and forget it” situation—it’s an ongoing process. For legal professionals, staying secure means routinely updating settings, managing credentials, and building strong cyber habits. In legal tech, security and compliance go hand in hand.

Risks and requirements 

Neglecting IT maintenance is like leaving your front door wide open with a flashing invitation to hackers. While phishing scams get most of the attention, it’s often the quieter issues—misconfigured systems, excessive access, and weak passwords—that cause the most damage.

For legal professionals, cybersecurity isn’t just about threat prevention—it’s about meeting ethical and regulatory obligations. U.S. attorneys must adhere to ABA guidelines requiring “reasonable efforts” to protect client data, while Canadian law societies expect lawyers to be both tech-literate and security-conscious.

Think of cybersecurity as the foundation, not a feature. Keep your tech tight, your data safe, and your law firm in the clear.

How to Strengthen Your Cybersecurity Today

You don’t need advanced IT skills to safeguard your law firm. Still, consistent system maintenance and visibility into your tech infrastructure are essential. Start by locking down the basics with these key cybersecurity controls:

• Access Control – Only give file access to those who truly need it. Less is more.
• Password Management – Use strong, unique passwords and store them in a secure password manager (no more sticky notes!).
• Multifactor Authentication (MFA) – Turn on MFA or 2-step verification wherever you can. It’s a simple upgrade with huge benefits.
• Response Tools & Device Management – Be ready to remotely wipe lost devices and detect advanced threats beyond just your typical virus scan.

Implementing a few smart cybersecurity practices today can save you from major headaches later—and help keep your client data protected and your practice running smoothly.

The Bottom Line on Law Firm Cybersecurity

Skipping cybersecurity is like missing a court filing—one slip can lead to serious consequences. Even solo practitioners need a clear IT strategy and regular checkups on their cybersecurity posture. Staying on top of your systems makes it easier to manage issues before they escalate—and avoids the kind of missteps that come back to haunt you.

Author

Born in South Africa and now based in Canada, Ross Saunders began his career on the IT help desk, helping people troubleshoot computer problems before moving into networking support — working remotely long before it became common practice.

After studying programming, he transitioned into software development. While he loved it in college, the reality of the job was less appealing, leading him to blend his skills into what’s now known as DevOps — collaborating with software teams on deployments. This role evolved into managing and mentoring entire technical divisions for software companies, overseeing product management, software engineering, and technical support.

Privacy and security became a core focus along the way. After experiencing identity theft himself (a story he often shares in his keynotes), Ross immersed himself in the world of privacy and security. For over a decade, he has worked with technical teams and lawyers to translate complex legal and framework requirements into practical, actionable solutions.

Produced by the National Conference of Bar Presidents (NCBP) in partnership with Legal Talk Network, the conversation in the second episode explores how California’s voluntary bar emerged from a regulatory split, and what that transformation reveals about the future of bar leadership.

From navigating organizational change to building a solo practice rooted in personal values, Evans offers a blueprint for leading with purpose, flexibility, and impact. Whether you’re a bar executive, board member, or attorney seeking to drive change, this episode delivers practical insights on bold, intentional leadership.

Key Takeaways from the Episode

Voluntary bars can lead with more freedom.

Evans explains how separating from a regulatory bar enabled the California Lawyers Association to focus on education, advocacy, and community support in ways that mandatory bars often cannot.

“You can’t advocate effectively if you’re tied to regulation.”

Organizational structure shapes mission.

“The structure of a bar association determines not just how it operates—but what it’s capable of achieving. Evans discusses how leadership intentionally reimagined CLA’s framework to better reflect member needs.”

“Structure can be restructured. You’re not stuck.”

Leadership starts before you’re chosen.

For Evans, leadership isn’t about waiting for titles—it’s about showing up and stepping into the role before anyone hands it to you. His story reminds listeners that transformation begins with initiative.

“You don’t need permission to lead.”

These insights—and more—reinforce the core message of the episode: visionary leadership requires adaptability, clarity of mission, and the courage to rebuild from the ground up.

Catch the conversation from the beginning in Episode One:

In Episode 1, Dana and Keith Cutler laid the foundation for what it means to lead with intention, compassion, and resilience. Episode 2 builds on that foundation as Jeremy Evans brings a systems-level perspective to what meaningful change looks like in practice.

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Navigating the Immediate Policy Disruption

The opening months of the current presidential term have been marked by a series of executive actions that have fundamentally altered the landscape of immigration law. Legal discourse is dominated by the profound impact of these directives, which have often resulted in abrupt shifts in procedure and sparked immediate legal challenges for immigration attorneys.

The renewed focus on birthright citizenship exemplifies this immediate instability. As legal author and host of the Lawyer2Lawyer podcast, J. Craig Williams said in a recent episode, efforts to curtail or dismantle birthright citizenship represent an assault on a foundational principle of American law. “Birthright citizenship,” Williams stated, “is the foundation for practically everything else” in immigration law. He further emphasized the destabilizing consequences that these actions would have on the entire legal framework, demanding unwavering vigilance and immediate adaptability from practitioners. New solutions in technology may be an attorney’s best hope.

This policy flux necessitates a heightened level of legal expertise and strategic agility. Immigration lawyers can no longer rely on static interpretations of the law; they must possess a deep understanding of the immediate nuances of policy and the ability to respond to rapid changes. 

The Intensifying Pressure on Practitioners: Caseload Crisis and its Impact

The immediate policy disruptions to immigration are compounding an already intense caseload crisis. As ABA Journal editor and Legal Rebels Podcast host, Victor Li observed, “Ever since the start of the second Trump administration, immigration lawyers have been busier than ever, whether it’s dealing with ICE raid deportations, executive orders, slowing down the visa process, limiting the birthright citizenship and reversing Obama and Biden-era immigration policies, as well as nervous clients worried about what the new regime might mean for them.”

This caseload crisis not only impacts efficiency but also raises immediate concerns about the potential for burnout and the ability to provide comprehensive legal counsel. Erika Pinheiro, Executive Director at Al Otro Lado, an organization providing humanitarian support and free legal aid said “Every single day you’re going to hear the worst thing you’ve ever heard working with Asylum seekers. I would say being on the front lines during family separation in particular was really traumatizing.” The profession demands immediate strategies for optimizing workflows and leveraging resources.

Technological Innovation as a Strategic Imperative

In response to these immediate challenges, legal professionals are advocating for the strategic adoption of technology, particularly generative AI.

On the Legal Rebels April 16, 2025 episode, Greg Siskind, an immigration lawyer and technology expert, argues that “Technology, particularly generative AI, can help with some of that increased workload.” He shares how generative AI tools can automate routine tasks, streamline processes, and enhance efficiency. This allows lawyers to dedicate their expertise to higher-level strategy and client advocacy, improving outcomes. 

The Evolving Role of An Immigration Lawyer

The current state of immigration law demands a re-evaluation of the role of the legal professional. Lawyers must possess exceptional legal expertise and embrace technological innovation and learn how to use generative AI to help in this immigration crisis. The insights shared underscore the need for a holistic approach to navigate the immediate challenges of this critical area of law.

You May Also Enjoy Listening to These Episodes on Immigration, Due Process, and Generative AI Solutions

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Becoming the AI Driven Leader, with Geoff Woods – Lawyerist

Studies suggest that many law firms fall short in handling incoming leads. Missing calls, taking too long to respond, and not following up all contribute to poor conversion rates. The good news is that addressing these issues can give your firm a competitive edge. 

This guide explores why law firms struggle with lead conversion and offers actionable strategies to improve their processes. Let’s take a look. 

Why Law Firms Struggle with Lead Conversion 

There are many things that prevent law firms from turning leads into clients. Here are the ones we most commonly see from our customers: 

1. Missed Calls 

Potential clients often prefer to speak to a law firm on the phone, especially during a crisis. Speaking with a real person puts their mind at ease that they have taken action, so availability to answer calls is a vital part of the client experience.  Most potential clients move on to the next firm if their call goes unanswered.

2. Slow Response Times 

People seeking legal services often need immediate answers and reassurance that someone is there to help them with the next steps, so responding too slowly to prospects is another critical issue. If you aren’t responding to leads immediately, you reduce the chance of your firm winning their business. 

3. Unqualified Leads 

Not every lead is an ideal client, but mishandling inquiries can result in wasted time and resources. Without proper lead qualification processes, firms may spend effort and money on cases or prospects that don’t align with their services or profitability goals. 

4. Lack of Consistent Follow-Up 

Many law firms prioritize the initial conversation but often fail to follow up with potential clients or provide clear next steps. This lack of follow-up can impact conversion rates – especially for clients still weighing their options. To earn their trust and business, clients need to feel that you’re attentive and actively guiding them through the process.

Do these scenarios sound familiar? If so, don’t worry – with the right tools and processes, you can tackle these challenges and maximize your lead conversion rates.

Strategies to Improve Lead Conversion 

1. Have a 24/7 Live Receptionist Team 

Missed calls are missed opportunities. Potential clients expect someone to answer their questions quickly, regardless of the time of day. 

Consider partnering with a service like LEX Reception, which provides 24/7 live receptionists exclusively for law firms. These receptionists answer every call, no matter the hour, so you never miss a lead. 

2. Use Custom Scripts to Qualify Leads 

Not all inquiries are worth pursuing, and handling unqualified leads can drain valuable time. Implementing custom scripts and lead qualification questions ensures your team speaks with the right clients. 

Examples of qualification questions: 

• “What type of legal issue are you experiencing?” 
• “In which city or county did this issue take place?”
• “How did you hear about our law firm?”

Custom scripts help filter high-value leads, ensuring your attorneys focus on converting the cases that matter most. 

3. Prioritize Speed in Follow-Ups 

Speed is vital in legal lead conversion. Data suggests that responding to prospects within five minutes of their inquiry can drastically increase your chances of securing them as a client. 

Automate follow-ups where possible. Many CRM’s allow law firms to send instant acknowledgement emails or text confirmations once a lead submits a form or calls the office.

 Measuring Your Success 

Once you’ve implemented these strategies, how will you know if they are working? Keep an eye on key performance indicators like these to measure your results effectively: 

1. Call Answer Rate: Track how many inquiries are answered versus missed. Your goal is an answer rate close to 100%!
2. Lead Conversion Rate: Measure the percentage of inquiries converted into paying clients.
3. Response Time: Monitor how quickly you acknowledge prospects after they have reached out. Aim for under five minutes whenever possible. 
4. Client Retention: Track the long-term value of new clients brought in by improved conversion strategies. 

Maximizing lead conversion is about more than just answering calls; it’s about building an efficient system that makes every prospective client feel valued. Whether it’s reducing response times, qualifying leads, or having a 24/7 receptionist, every improvement contributes to winning more business and boosting your law firm’s bottom line. 

Skylar Worthington, Operations Director, LEX Reception

Skylar Worthington began her journey at LEX Reception with the intention of a short-term role, but quickly found a workplace rooted in purpose and growth. Starting by answering client calls for law firms, she embraced development opportunities that led her to her current role as Operations Director. In this position, Skylar is dedicated to ensuring every client interaction upholds LEX’s standard of excellence.

This collaboration features award-winning legal technologists Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell as they test drive Green Filing’s new Auto File tool, designed to read and incorporate filing content directly from the court documents. 

Legal Talk Network will oversee the production, ensuring the high-quality video delivers practical and forward-thinking discussions to its broad legal audience.

“Legal Talk Network has built a strong reputation for delivering top-tier legal content through audio, and it’s a logical extension of our expertise to expand into video,” said Lisa Kirkman, Legal Talk Network’s Director. “This series marks an exciting new chapter for us, and we look forward to creating more visual media for the legal community.”

Green Filing, known for its user-friendly e-filing solutions, aims to enhance legal professionals’ understanding of the benefits and efficiencies of electronic court filing through this engaging and informative video series.

“We’ve really enjoyed collaborating with the amazing team at Legal Talk Network, Dennis, and Tom to share our exciting new feature, Auto-File,” said George Knecht, Co-Founder of Green Filing. “We’ve received fantastic feedback from our users who love how much time it saves and how accurate it is—they just do a quick review and submit.”

The video series will be available on Legal Talk Network’s YouTube channel, which received more than 2 million views in 2024 and currently has more than 11,200 subscribers. 

ABOUT KENNEDY-MIGHELL REPORT:

The Kennedy-Mighell Report is a legal technology podcast with an Internet focus. Noted legal technologists Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell bring listeners an in-depth analysis of the latest advancements in legal technology, in addition to best practices for utilizing existing tools. The duo aims to educate lawyers on how technology can be used to improve services, interactions with clients, and overall workflow. For more information about the podcast, visit legaltalknetwork.com/podcasts/kennedy-mighell-report.

ABOUT LEGAL TALK NETWORK:

Legal Talk Network is a leading podcast network that covers a wide range of legal topics, including legal news, practice management, and career development. With a diverse roster of hosts and guests, the network is committed to advancing the legal profession by providing quality educational content and fostering a community of legal professionals who are passionate about improving the practice of law. For more information about the network, visit legaltalknetwork.com.

ABOUT GREEN FILING:

Founded in 2009, Green Filing’s mission is to provide easy, simple, and fast eFiling solutions to attorneys and their support staff in a safe, secure, and reliable manner. Green Filing has filed more than 28 million documents for over 200,000 filers across California, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Nevada, Utah, Virginia, and Texas. Learn more about Green Filing, visit greenfiling.com.

Legal Talk Network Contact: Lisa Kirkman at lkirkman@legaltalknetwork.com

Launched on March 12, 2015, the show debuted with legal commentators Elie Mystal and Joe Patrice at the helm. 

“We had a funny moment within the first couple minutes of our first recording, and from that point, we were off to the races and knew our vibe,” said Joe Patrice, Co-Host of Thinking Like A Lawyer and Senior Editor at Above the Law. While Mystal departed in 2020 to pursue other ventures, Patrice continues to lead the weekly discussions alongside his Above the Law colleagues Kathryn Rubino and Chris Williams.

“Reaching a decade and 400 episodes is no small feat, but what makes Thinking Like A Lawyer truly special is its ability to blend sharp legal insight with humor that keeps listeners coming back,” said Lisa Kirkman, Director of Legal Talk Network. “Joe, Kathryn, and Chris have built something remarkable; not just in their consistency, but in the way they make complex legal issues both accessible and entertaining.”

The show takes a fun and conversational approach, diving into the most popular stories from Above the Law’s blog. The hosts, who are also the bloggers behind the site, break down the biggest legal news with their own insights and hot takes, covering everything from law school rankings to Biglaw raises to the latest celebrity trials. 

“We try to make stories new and different year after year,” said Kathryn Rubino, Co-Host of Thinking Like A Lawyer and Senior Editor at Above the Law. 

The podcast hit another milestone in February, releasing its 400th episode, which featured a special appearance from Mystal. Reflecting on the past decade, he noted how much the legal landscape has circled back. 

“I started at Above the Law a month before Lehman Brothers collapsed, thus ushering in the Great Recession,” said Elie Mystal, Justice Correspondent at The Nation. “Now we’re potentially standing on the cusp of another great economic meltdown that will ravage the legal industry because we’ve started a stupid trade war.”

Since its inception, the podcast has received more than 3.5 million downloads and over 1 million social impressions. 

As they look ahead to the next decade, Patrice, Rubino, and Williams are already tracking key legal stories that could shape the industry.

“At the risk of being called a legal tech nerd, I would say that all of these copyright battles about generative AI are probably the stories that I’m most interested to see how they play out,” said Joe Patrice. “While I’m not one of those people who believes it’s magic beans, it’s a significant technology and if those cases turn out in a way that would limit people’s freedom to develop and create that sort of AI. It could have significant impacts on the development of the economy in general and the legal industry specifically.” 

Thinking Like A Lawyer is available on Legal Talk Network’s website, Spotify, Apple Podcasts and other popular podcast apps.

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

400th Episode Spectacular

ABOUT LEGAL TALK NETWORK:

Legal Talk Network is a leading podcast network that covers a wide range of legal topics, including legal news, practice management, and career development. With a diverse roster of hosts and guests, the network is committed to advancing the legal profession by providing quality educational content and fostering a community of legal professionals who are passionate about improving the practice of law. For more information about the network and Thinking Like A Lawyer, visit legaltalknetwork.com.

ABOUT ABOVE THE LAW:

Above the Law (ATL) is a leading online publication dedicated to covering the latest news, trends, and controversies in the legal world. Founded in 2006, ATL provides in-depth analysis, breaking news, and insider perspectives on law firms, law schools, and the broader legal profession. Known for its sharp commentary and candid coverage, the site has become a go-to resource for attorneys, students, and legal enthusiasts seeking insights into the industry’s most pressing issues. ATL is owned and published by Breaking Media, a company specializing in professional news and analysis. For more information about the publication, visit abovethelaw.com.

Legal Talk Network Contact: Lisa Kirkman at lkirkman@legaltalknetwork.com

How to Structure a Compelling Podcast Speaker Bio That Captivates Audiences

A well-crafted speaker bio is a powerful tool that establishes credibility, engages audiences, and sets the tone for your podcast appearances. Whether you’re a featured guest, an industry expert, or a recurring panelist, your bio is often the first impression podcast hosts and listeners have of you. Here’s how to structure an effective podcast speaker bio that highlights your expertise, personality, and impact.

1. Start With a Strong Opening

Your opening sentence should immediately capture attention and establish who you are. Instead of simply stating your name and title, craft an engaging introduction that encapsulates your expertise and value. For example:

“John Doe is a dynamic technology strategist and award-winning podcast guest known for transforming complex ideas into actionable insights.”

This immediately conveys expertise, credibility, and the speaker’s unique appeal.

2. Make It Easy for the Podcast Producer to Imagine You on Their Show

A great speaker bio not only establishes credibility but also makes it clear why you’d be a valuable guest. Help podcast producers see where you fit by suggesting specific discussion topics you can add insight to. This could include trending industry issues, unique perspectives, or specialized knowledge areas that align with the show’s audience.

For example:

“Alex Carter can speak on topics such as AI-driven legal workflows, the ethics of automation in law, and how small firms can leverage technology to compete with big firms.”

By providing a list of topics or potential episode titles, you make it easier for producers to envision how your expertise fits into their show’s format and themes.

3. Highlight Your Expertise and Experience

Once you’ve grabbed attention, dive into your qualifications. Answer key questions such as:

• What is your professional background?
• What industries do you specialize in?
• What makes you a thought leader in your field?

Concisely summarize your accomplishments. Avoid listing every job you’ve ever had; instead, focus on experience and achievements that would be relevant to the podcast host or their producer. Highlight notable podcast appearances and include links to episodes where listeners can hear you in action. For example:

“With over 15 years of experience in digital marketing, Jane Doe has helped Fortune 500 companies refine their brand messaging and enhance customer engagement. She is the author of three best-selling books on content strategy and talks about the evolution of digital marketing. She’s a frequent guest on top marketing podcasts such as ‘New Solo‘ and ‘Kennedy-Mighell Report’.”

To enhance credibility, include a professional photo and a link to your website where hosts and listeners can learn more about you. Here’s a sample bio from of one of our hosts, and another of a recent guest.

3. Showcase Notable Achievements

Your bio should highlight key accomplishments that reinforce your credibility. These might include:

• Awards and recognitions
• Prestigious podcast appearances
• Books, publications, or notable projects
• High-profile collaborations

For instance:

“John has been featured on leading podcasts such as ‘New Solo’, and ‘Digital Detectives,’ earning accolades for his thought-provoking insights on technology and business strategy.”

This demonstrates authority and builds trust with the audience.

4. Add a Personal Touch

While professionalism is important, adding a personal element makes your bio more relatable. Consider including:

• A unique passion or hobby
• A personal philosophy or mission
• A fun fact that humanizes you

For example:

“When she’s not discussing digital transformation on podcasts, Jane enjoys hiking through national parks and experimenting with gourmet baking.”

This makes you more memorable and approachable.

5. Keep It Concise and Adaptable

Example Short Bio (For Quick Introductions)

“Gyi Tsakalakis is a legal marketing expert and founder of AttorneySync, a resource to help law firm find the clients that will help their business grow. A sought-after host of Lunch Hour Legal Marketing podcast and frequent guest, Gyi brings insights on marketing efficiency and what to expect from your marketing firm. Connect with Gyi at attorneysync.com.”

This bio effectively establishes credibility while keeping things concise and engaging. Most podcast hosts will ask for speaker bios of varying lengths. A good practice is to have three versions:

• Short Bio (50-75 words): A quick snapshot for social media, show notes, or introductions.
• Medium Bio (150-200 words): A detailed version for podcast websites and promotional materials.
• Long Bio (300-500 words): A comprehensive version for speaker pages, press kits, or book jackets.

6. Include a Call-to-Action

Wrap up your bio with an invitation for engagement. This could be a website link, social media handle, or contact details for booking inquiries. For example:

“To hear John’s latest insights on technology and innovation, visit www.johndoe.com or connect with him on LinkedIn.”

Additionally, include a high-quality headshot and direct links to your website and social media profiles to make it easier for podcast hosts and listeners to engage with you.

Final Thoughts

Before reaching out to a podcast, take the time to listen to a few episodes. Not every podcast includes guest interviews, and sending a pitch to a show that doesn’t feature guests can make it clear that you’re mass mailing rather than thoughtfully selecting opportunities. Demonstrating familiarity with the show’s format will increase your chances of getting booked. A compelling podcast speaker bio is more than just a list of credentials; it’s a narrative that showcases your expertise, personality, and impact. By structuring it effectively and keeping it adaptable, you’ll ensure that you leave a lasting impression on podcast hosts and listeners alike.

Good luck crafting a version that best represents your unique voice and accomplishments so you can earn more gigs on podcasts to grow your profile.

If you are looking to being a guest to grow your business, you may also consider sponsoring our legal podcasts to reach lawyers in all areas of practice and las firm ownership. Visit our Sponsorship page and contact Lisa Kirkman, Director Legal Talk Network for more information.

If you couldn’t make it to the Sunshine State, we’ve compiled seven of our favorite podcasting takeaways discussed at the conference to help you level up your game. For a personalized, one-on-one consultation of your show, please arrange a call with us. 

1. Build Your Community To Infinity and Beyond

When Walt Disney said, “It takes people to make the dream a reality,” former attorney turned Podcast Hall of Famer Lou Mongello listened. Lou opened up about his 21 years of podcasting experience at several panels throughout the Podfest Expo conference. Hearing Lou talk about how grateful he is to his audience makes it as clear as Cinderella’s glass slipper that his community-first approach to WDW Radio is the true magic behind the podcast’s success. Lou doesn’t just create content about Disney; he builds connections. Whether it’s through live broadcasts, in-person meetups, or social media, Lou ensures that his audience feels seen, heard, and valued.

Avid listeners of WDW Radio will know that Lou actively involves his audience through Q&A segments and interactive content like trivia. This participatory model provides listeners a stake in the podcast and transforms them from passive consumers to active members of the community. In Lou’s words, “It’s because of your love, encouragement, and trust that this community has become what it is today: a family.”

2. TV Still Packs A Punch for Promotion

In an era dominated by digital marketing, traditional television remains a powerful tool for amplifying your podcast’s reach. That’s the message “The Toypreneur” Charlene DeLoach emphasized during her presentation. As a toy industry innovator, Charlene has appeared on hundreds of popular morning shows to discuss emerging trends in games, dolls and kits. Her TV segments not only boosted her podcast’s credibility, but also introduced her show and brand to a broader, more diverse audience. The moral of the story? Sometimes, old-school media is the key to next-level success!

3. Go Global—APAC Listeners Are Waiting To Hit Play

The Asia–Pacific (APAC) region, home to a dynamic blend of cultures and economies, is primed for voices that spark change. Podcasts from brilliant entrepreneurs and inspiring women can fill this growing demand, providing relatable stories and actionable insights tailored to the region’s unique challenges and opportunities. With a surge in podcast consumption across Asia-Pacific, thanks to companies like SHEQONOMI, these voices have the potential to empower listeners and inspire innovation. In an insightful panel moderated by Evergreen Podcasts CCO David Moss, podcasting trailblazers Anu Bhardwaj and Aya Shlachter invited creators to broadcast beyond borders.

4. Drive Revenue with Facebook Video

Did you know that native videos get 478% more shares on Facebook than links to videos from other sources? That’s just one of the many facts Eddie Garrison of The Fisher Agency shared during his session about Facebook video. With over 8 billion video views daily, Facebook is a powerhouse for video content consumption. And, according to Eddie, it converts. One of his realtor clients sold a $100,000 home thanks to a video she posted and boosted on the platform. This success demonstrates how leveraging Facebook’s engagement-driven algorithm can significantly enhance visibility and drive results for businesses. According to Eddie, the Facebook algorithm prioritizes content based on engagement, ranking shares as the most valuable, followed by comments, with likes being the least valuable in terms of visibility.

5. Big Ideas Deserve a Big Stage

For podcasters, a TEDx talk isn’t just a stage—it’s a launchpad. It’s where your ideas take flight, reaching an audience far beyond your regular listeners and sparking curiosity in brand-new corners of the world. Imagine your voice echoing through packed auditoriums and landing on screens across the globe, drawing fresh fans to your podcast. A TEDx talk doesn’t just amplify your message; it cements your status as a thought leader and creates evergreen content that showcases your brilliance. 

LEADR Master Speaker Coach Sharon Zehavi led an insightful session on crafting viral TEDx talks. She urged attendees to study the strategies of past successful speakers and guided them through refining potential TEDx titles, pointing out the importance of following a proven formula to maximize impact and resonance. For example, “The Way We Think About Charity Is Dead Wrong” has a whopping 5 million views on YouTube. A legal podcaster wanting to take a similar approach could name their talk something like “Why Our Understanding of Eyewitness Testimony Is Dead Wrong.” We imagine that talk would sound something like this episode of For the Innocent.

Access a list of upcoming TEDx talks that need speakers here. 

6. Turn Your Wisdom Into A Workbook

Converting your podcast into a workbook or downloadable guide is a powerful way to enhance the value of your content and engage your audience in a deeper, more interactive way. Materials with actionable steps, exercises, or key takeaways offer listeners a tangible resource they can refer to long after the episode ends. It not only helps to solidify the concepts discussed but also provides your audience with a practical tool for applying the information. This approach increases the perceived value of your podcast, attracting new listeners who appreciate practical resources and creating a new revenue stream through downloadable content. Just ask Maria Chapman of Connected Ghostwriting, who has made a career of writing game-changing guides.

7. LinkedIn Is The Podcaster’s Playground for Audience Growth

According to WIRED, more than 54% of longer English-language posts on LinkedIn are likely AI-generated. While AI can churn out perfectly optimized articles and content, what it lacks is the genuine, human touch that drives meaningful engagement. That’s where Cassie Tucker shines. As the host and owner of Marketing Happy Hour, Cassie uses Linkedin to both discover guests and expand the podcast’s reach. She regularly shares marketing lessons, podcast highlights and unique quotes in a format that’s easy for professionals to digest—and share. She encourages fellow podcasters to create a page for their show and start regularly posting. 

Thank you again to the Podfest Expo team for welcoming us with open arms and creating a positive environment for up-and-coming podcasters to learn. Get access to the Podfest Expo recordings and a creator pass to the 2026 Podfest Expo here.

These trailblazers have pulled back the curtain on their journeys, revealing hard-earned wisdom, behind-the-scenes stories, and practical advice on everything from shaping historic rulings to crafting the laws that define our nation.

We’ve gathered the best highlights with those who’ve walked the halls of Congress and presided over our nation’s highest courts because their insights don’t just shape policies and decisions; they offer valuable lessons for anyone navigating the complexities of law, leadership, and life itself.

Insights from Senators

Illinois Senator Dick Durbin

Senator Dick Durbin, a Democrat from Springfield, has served as Illinois’ senior U.S. Senator since 1996 and is the Democratic Whip, a leadership role he has held since 2005. He sits on key Senate committees, makes frequent trips between Washington and Illinois, and resides in Springfield with his family.

His advice to lawyers is as follows: “Use your law license to become part of the solution. Volunteer your time, whether it’s on the civil side or on the criminal side, to get into the courtroom and make sure that justice prevails in this litigation. Too many people, particularly the poorest people in America, don’t have legal representation.” 

@theBar

The Justice in Policing Act of 2020: A Discussion with Senator Dick Durbin

Fmr. North Dakota Senator Byron L. Dorgan

Former U.S. Senator Byron L. Dorgan, who served North Dakota for 30 years and chaired key Senate committees, is now a senior policy advisor at ArentFox, a visiting professor at Georgetown University, and a Senior Fellow at the Bipartisan Policy Center.

On Lawyer 2 Lawyer, Former Senator Dorgan said, “To do the wrong thing or do something that doesn’t make much sense simply because Congress can never agree on a piece of legislation. If the president has the authority to avoid that, it just makes sense for him to do it.”

His words highlight the importance of presidential action in overcoming legislative gridlock in Congress and underscore the need for pragmatic decision-making to address pressing issues when bipartisan agreement proves elusive. Former Senator Dorgan emphasizes the value of executive authority to ensure effective governance and prevent stagnation.

Fmr. New Mexico Senator Steven Neville

New Mexico, known for its rich cultural heritage and diverse landscapes, is home to Former State Senator Steven Neville, who has represented District 2 in the State Senate since 2004. Before his tenure, he served in various local leadership roles, including as County Commissioner, City Commissioner, and County Chairman for the San Juan Republican Party, while also managing his real estate consulting firm, N-Vest, Inc., since 1985.

When asked about immigration, Former Senator Neville said, “Thoughtfulness is not necessarily constitutional, and that’s a real critical point because that’s what protects the American people, the American way of life.”

He went on to say, “We need to make sure that the constitutionality of everything we do is upheld because ultimately that is how our country will survive and maintain its standard of living.”

The lesson from this quote is that while thoughtfulness and good intentions are important, the ultimate protection of the American people and way of life relies on upholding constitutional principles. By ensuring that actions and policies are grounded in the Constitution, we safeguard the country’s stability and future prosperity.

Fmr. Texas Senator José Rodríguez

Representing Texas District 29, which spanned urban and rural areas along the Texas-Mexico border, State Senator José Rodríguez previously held key leadership roles, including Chairman of the Senate Hispanic Caucus and Vice Chairman of the Senate Jurisprudence Committee.

Former Senator Rodríguez is a strong advocate for safety and protection, but he doesn’t believe that building walls or structures is the solution, emphasizing the importance of data-driven decisions. 

“I support the notion that every country has its own sovereignty and has its own boundaries, but I do not support investing billions of dollars on unnecessary barriers and structures, such as our fence on the southern border, that I think all experts have concluded has not really effectively deterred immigration.”

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

Senators Weigh In on Immigration, The Constitution, and Obama’s Executive Order

Fmr. Maryland Senator Ben Cardin

Having retired at the beginning of 2025, Senator Ben Cardin, a third-generation Marylander, dedicated his career to public service, serving as Maryland’s senior U.S. senator and Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he advanced national security and human rights while also championing civil rights, healthcare access, and economic policies supporting the middle class and vulnerable citizens.

He developed sincere gratitude for those who dedicate their careers to legal services, recognizing their crucial work despite the challenges, low prestige, and heavy caseloads. 

“I admire those that are willing to really step forward and do the lion’s share of work to help lower income families deal with the challenges of our legal system,” he said on Talk Justice.

Takeaways from Justices

Chief Justice Nathan L. Hecht

Nathan L. Hecht, the 27th Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Texas and the longest-serving member in the Court’s history, has been elected seven times, including as Chief Justice in 2014 and 2020. Throughout his career, he has led legal reforms, championed access to justice for low-income Texans, and served in prestigious legal and academic roles.

When talking to Rocky Dhir on The State Bar of Texas Podcast, Chief Justice Hecht said, “You don’t have to be a football star or an opera singer to be great.”

In other words, greatness isn’t limited to fame or traditional celebrity. What we can learn from it is that young professionals should recognize the immense value they bring to their profession and the world, understanding that success requires dedication, hard work, and patience. 

State Bar of Texas Podcast

A Justice’s Legacy: A Conversation with Chief Justice Nathan Hecht

Associate Justice Anne McKeig

Associate Justice Anne McKeig, who served for over 15 years as an assistant attorney in Hennepin County’s child protection division and as a family court judge in Minnesota, was appointed to the Minnesota Supreme Court in 2016 by Governor Mark Dayton, becoming the first Native American justice and the first female Native American to serve on any state supreme court. 

“From the day that I walked into the courtroom and was able to work on issues related to kids and their wellbeing, I knew I was in the right place,” she said on Talk Justice. 

Associate Justice McKeig’s words reiterate the importance of finding your true calling. When you are passionate about your work and align it with your values, you know you’re in the right place, and that fulfillment drives you to make a meaningful impact.

Associate Justice Michael P. Donnelly

Having begun his tenure on the Ohio Supreme Court in January 2019, Associate Justice Michael P. Donnelly has earned respect for his independence, impartiality, and expertise, consistently upholding the Constitution and ensuring equal treatment under the law. 

He has written extensively about “dark plea deals” and encourages folks to advocate against them.

“The system is so non-transparent and judges let these motions languish sometimes for years just sitting on their dockets ripe for ruling that they often get lost in the system and you need celebrity involvement, newspaper involvement, great attorneys to get a second look at these cases,” he said on For the Innocent.

The lesson here is the importance of clear communication and advocacy in the legal system. 

For The Innocent

Dark Pleas: Trading Innocence for Freedom in Post Conviction Deals

Chief Justice Mary R. Russell

Supreme Court of Missouri Chief Justice Mary R. Russell is currently in the midst of her second term as chief justice, which spans from July 2023 to June 2025. Previously, she served as a judge on the Missouri Court of Appeals, Eastern District. 

Last summer, she joined the women of The Simon Law Firm. P.C. to discuss confidence and conduct on Heels in the Courtroom. Her sense of humor made their day. 

“People ask me, ‘What’s changed at the Supreme Court now that you’ve got a majority female?’ And I’ll start off with a joke and I’ll say, ‘Well, it’s the rule of force. So anytime there’s four votes for any one idea, then that’s the majority view. And after the recent Barbie movie, we voted to change the roads from black to pink,’” Chief Justice Russell said. 

This response, while humorous, reminds us, especially women, to use our unique voice while maintaining professional integrity.

Heels in the Courtroom

EP 816- Conversation with Chief Justice of the Missouri Supreme Court Part One

Is there a senator or public official you’d like us to interview in 2025? Let us know by sharing your thoughts here. 

Burnout is a significant issue among legal professionals, impacting approximately 52% of employees in the field. Unfortunately, many attorneys find it challenging to carve out time for a proper getaway to combat this exhaustion and enhance their overall career satisfaction. Some even continue to work remotely, even when they are supposedly on vacation, which defeats the purpose of taking time off in the first place.

As a solo attorney, it is imperative to recognize the necessity of taking time off. Regular breaks are crucial for recharging your energy, gaining perspective, and restoring your passion for your work. That’s why making a conscious effort to get away from the demands of your practice is not just a luxury—it’s a fundamental aspect of maintaining your health, happiness, and long-term success in your legal career.

Here’s how you can take a vacation as a solo lawyer without disrupting your practice.

Notify the Courts

Try to notify the courts where you have ongoing cases about your upcoming vacation plans well in advance. Many solo practitioners express concern that opposing counsel may attempt to exploit this situation by filing a lengthy motion just before their departure, possibly putting them in a difficult position. Communicating your scheduled absence to the court early on increases your chances of obtaining an extension for your response deadline, allowing for a more manageable timeline. Earlier this year, the vacation letter submission process for Texas attorneys got even easier. Cindy Tisdale discusses the update on the State Bar of Texas Podcast.

Arrange for Backup Support

If the court cannot accommodate your request, you may need to arrange for backup support—perhaps a colleague or associate—to handle any urgent matters during your absence.

In addition, consider hiring a freelance lawyer to handle any pressing matters during your absence. This proactive step can significantly lighten your load and minimize the chaos that often ensues when catching up after a vacation.

Navigate Your Return

When heading off on vacation, you need to recognize that, as a solo lawyer, completely avoiding contact with the office is nearly impossible. This connection is not just a necessity but a practical approach. The last thing you want is to return to a mountain of unresolved tasks that leave you feeling overwhelmed and in desperate need of another break to regroup. To ease the transition, set a routine for yourself: plan to check your email once a day. This will allow you to address urgent requests and keep communication flowing without getting bogged down in complicated issues that can wait until your return. Jared Correia, host of Legal Toolkit, recently shared that he loves cruising and regularly purchases the Wi-Fi package to stay in touch with his team.

Set Boundaries

On a recent episode of Un-Billable Hour’s Community Table series, Attorney Christopher T. Anderson and New Leaf Family Law Chief Strategy Officer Robert Leitner address real issues that lawyers face, specifically focusing on vacation-related matters and setting boundaries:

Vacations

Vacations reinforce company culture and emphasize the importance of taking breaks. However, as a leader, you may wonder how to enjoy your time off while still managing your responsibilities and ensuring your team can handle everything effectively. Encouraging your team to take regular vacations is crucial for their renewal and well-being. Yet, it is equally important for you to model this behavior as the firm’s leader. A healthy company culture starts at the top, and your actions set the standard for your team.

Don’t know where to go? Travel Agent Samantha Hedges shared on Legal Toolkit that Mexico and the Caribbean were two of the trendiest vacation spots for lawyers following the COVID pandemic.

Boundaries

Take control of your email and calendar instead of allowing them to dictate your daily life. Establish clear boundaries around your work hours and set priorities that align with your values. This may involve dedicating specific times for checking emails or blocking out personal time during which you will not engage in work-related tasks.

For further insights from the podcast, play the full episode of Un-Billable Hour below:

Remember: The clock is ticking! You may be able to file an extension when things go awry in court, but Santa doesn’t get the same leniency and neither do his trusty elves. Shop now to make sure these lawyer-approved goodies don’t sell out or get delayed in shipping. Read below or save this festive Amazon list.

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Unique Gifts for Lawyers

The following items are just as unique as your legal friends are—they’re fun, thoughtful, and useful.

Tears of Opposing Counsel Tumbler

This tumbler is the ultimate conversation starter (or ender). Plus, it’s spill-proof—because the only drama legal professionals want is in the courtroom, not on their desk.

Smells Like the Best Lawyer Ever Candle

Both candles and lawyers have been known to melt under a little heat… though lawyers are better at keeping their cool in court! Consider this gift idea if the lawyer in your life has a good sense of humor.

S’well Stainless Watter Bottle

Even the sharpest legal mind needs to stay hydrated! This triple-layered, vacuum-insulated beauty keeps drinks cold for 36 hours or hot for 18, which is basically longer than their average workday (and definitely longer than that deposition they won’t stop complaining about).

AED

On a more serious note, gifting a lawyer an Automated External Defibrillator (AED) could be a life-saving gesture. Lawyers often work in high-stress environments with long hours, tight deadlines, and intense pressure, all of which can contribute to health risks, including heart conditions. An AED ensures they have immediate access to critical first aid in the event of a cardiac emergency, whether in their office or during long days in court. While it’s a gift no one hopes they’ll need, its presence could make the ultimate difference in protecting their health and peace of mind.

Trendy Gifts for Fashionable Lawyers

The following items are stylish and practical picks that will keep your lawyer friends looking sharp in and out of the courtroom.

Icebug Shoes
These boots are the ultimate combination of function and flair. Plus, nothing screams “fearless litigator” like footwear that can tackle black ice AND deliver a mic-drop closing statement. Conrad Saam explains why he loves them so much: “Icebug shoes are deliberately built to help you from flipping and falling in winter weather. They literally have what look like old track spikes built into the soles so you don’t have to fall on your butt!”

Filson Oil Finish Double Tin Cloth Pants

Filson Oil Finish Double Tin Cloth Pants are the ultimate gift for the outdoorsy lawyer in your life. They’re made tough enough to survive rugged trails and rainy days.

Sports Jerseys

Score big with your sporty lawyer friends this holiday season by getting them a jersey of their favorite team or player. They may not be able to wear it in their office, but they could either frame it in a shadow box or wear it on weekends.

Interesting Books for Lawyers

A book is an affordable yet thoughtful gift for a lawyer, offering the chance to relax, learn, or be inspired without breaking the bank.

48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene

This book is the perfect read for any lawyer looking to sharpen their edge and take their career to the next level. In Conrad Saam’s words, “It feels like I’m reading a translation of Sun Tzu’s The Art of War with a bigger historical context. I can’t recommend the book enough.”

The Way: A Simple Roadmap for Leading a Healthy Law Firm by Allison McKeen, Ryan McKeen, and Brittany Green

Show the legal professional in your life that you care about their professional well-being—and the health of their firm. Law can be an intensely demanding field, and running a law firm requires balancing client needs, staff management, and business strategy, all while keeping everything running smoothly. This book offers practical advice for leading with balance, prioritizing mental health, and creating a sustainable work environment. Gyi Tsakalakis says that he’s enjoyed reading this book on his Kindle.

Gadgets for the Legal Techie

See our list of smart tools and tech must-haves to level up any lawyer’s workflow.

Shure MV7 Microphone

This microphone from Shure is the perfect tool for any lawyer looking to amplify their influence, share their expertise, or even record their next big pitch. Plus, let’s face it: every lawyer loves the sound of their own voice—especially when it’s broadcasted with professional-grade clarity! According to Gyi Tsakalakis, “This mic makes calls and podcast recordings a hundred percent better.” Don’t forget to purchase the extension arm so that it can be easily attached to a desk.

Sony Alpha ZV-E10 Camera

Say cheese! This $700 camera may have an intimidating price tag, but it’s value is priceless. With its versatile lens and sleek design, it ensures their content will look sharp and polished. Lawyers can use it to improve their social media efforts or even use it to document the events that make life worth living, like weddings and birthdays.

Gifts You Can’t Buy on Amazon

One-of-a-kind presents add a personal touch and stand out from the crowd. Here are a couple options that always work.

Unforgettable Experiences

Gifting an experience over an object creates lasting memories and meaningful moments. This is true for both lawyers and clients. Conrad Saam explains how he wowed clients by making them put their pedal to the metal: “We just did our customer summit and we did at a racetrack. There’s a company called Xtreme Xperience that we worked with. They travel around the country to racetracks around the country and you can take laps in exotic cars. People LOVED it!”

Charitable Donation

Donating your time or money in someone’s name as a gift shows thoughtfulness and compassion. Like Gyi Tsakalakis says, “Many people people are very passionately vocal about certain passion social causes. Some even have their own foundations or scholarships. I think making a donation in someone’s name is a great gift.”

The holidays are a time for connection, joy, and showing appreciation. Whether you go for something practical, fun, or meaningful, these gifts are sure to leave a lasting impression. And if you’re looking for even more ideas, tune in to Lunch Hour Legal Marketing—your go-to podcast for marketing news and legal trends—on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify.

The episode “Marilyn’s Story: A Plea Deal Turned Deadly” from For the Innocent’s second season earned the recognition and featured an emotional and shocking interview with Marilyn Mulero, an exoneree who received a death penalty conviction after taking a plea deal. She spent more than 26 years behind bars for a crime she did not commit because of a false report from two disgraced Illinois detectives and troubling advice from her lawyer. 

Since the podcast’s inception in March 2023, host Michael Semanchik, who serves as The Innocence Center’s Executive Director, has investigated the impetus and aftermath of exoneration cases, inviting exonerees, forensic scientists and lawyers onto the program to put the pieces together.

“If you were to tell me five years ago we’d win an award for the podcast, I would have probably laughed it off,” said Michael Semanchik. “The stories we’ve showcased in For the Innocent are harrowing tales of injustice. Hosting the podcast has been a rewarding way to let the public know about the issues and the importance of the legal work of the Innocence Network’s members and movement.”

Over the past few years, Legal Talk Network has expanded its slate of podcasts about access to justice, offering a broader array of content that addresses critical issues in legal accessibility, rights awareness, and the barriers faced by underserved communities.

“For the Innocent is an important project for Legal Talk Network and our listeners because the law is there to protect citizens,” said Lisa Kirkman, Legal Talk Network’s Managing Director. “The Signal Award honors the work of all the lawyers out there defending the innocent.”

Clio, a cloud-based technology company for lawyers, has supported the podcast since its first episode and continues to empower organizations supporting the wrongfully convicted. 

The Signal Awards Judging Academy includes a well-respected lineup of podcasters like Jay Shetty of On Purpose and Dan Taberski of Hysterical as well as industry leadership including Jonathan Hirsch, VP Global Podcasts at Sony Music, Chris Bannon the SVP, Head of Global Audio at Condé Nast and Jessica Cordova Kramer the CEO & Founder of Lemonada Media.

“This award is a testament to the skill, ingenuity, and vision of its creators,” said Jemma Brown, General Manager of The Signal Awards.

Legal Talk Network recently announced For the Innocent will return with an all-new season in spring 2025. 

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Legal Talk Network is a leading podcast network that covers a wide range of legal topics, including legal news, practice management, and career development. With a diverse roster of hosts and guests, the network is committed to advancing the legal profession by providing quality educational content and fostering a community of legal professionals who are passionate about improving the practice of law. For more information about the network and For the Innocent, visit legaltalknetwork.com.

ABOUT THE INNOCENCE CENTER:

The Innocence Center is an independent non-profit law firm dedicated to the release of wrongfully convicted individuals, educating the public on the causes of wrongful conviction, and assisting exonerated individuals as they reenter society. The Innocence Center receives hundreds of innocence claims each year and attorneys at The Innocence Center have been involved in freeing more than 40 wrongfully convicted individuals, who have served more than 600 years in prison collectively, over their careers. Read more at: theinnocencecenter.org.

ABOUT THE SIGNAL AWARDS:

The Signal Awards are mission-focused on uplifting the podcast medium by recognizing the most potent, meaningful and unprecedented audio projects being made today. Now in its third year, entrants to The Signal Awards are reviewed by The Signal Awards Judging Academy, an esteemed collective made up of the architects, instigators and trailblazers of the medium. Once a year, The Academy collectively listens closely to thousands of hours of audio, selecting the strongest work to be elevated to the status of award-winning. For more information, visit signalaward.com.

ABOUT CLIO: 

Clio is transforming the legal experience for all by creating the world’s leading cloud-based technologies for law firms. Firms of all sizes and practice areas use Clio products—Clio Manage, Clio Grow, and Clio Draft—to manage firm operations, streamline billing and payments, automate legal documents, and improve client experiences. As a result, Clio is helping lawyers and their clients better connect throughout the legal process. Read more at: clio.com.

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From an outsider’s perspective, the legal profession might appear to be taking meaningful steps toward remedying its historical lack of diversity. Prominent individuals like former President Barack Obama and Vice President Kamala Harris stand out as celebrated examples of minority attorneys who have reached significant positions of leadership and influence within the field. Their achievements are powerful symbols of progress, inspiring a younger generation of lawyers from diverse backgrounds.

However, despite these advancements and high-profile successes, a closer examination reveals that the legal profession remains one of the least diverse career fields in the United States. Alarmingly, a staggering 79% of all practicing lawyers identify as white, showcasing a stark contrast to the diversity that exists in the broader population. This overwhelming statistic underscores the ongoing challenges in achieving accurate equity and representation within the legal community, highlighting the urgent need for systemic changes and initiatives to foster inclusivity and equal opportunities for underrepresented groups in the profession.

Why Is Law the Least Diverse Profession?

The persistent lack of diversity in law firms has become a significant concern within the legal industry, and the explanations surrounding this issue are increasingly complex.

The Law School Admission Test

One significant factor contributing to the disproportionate representation of minorities in law schools begins even before students submit their applications. The Law School Admission Test (LSAT) is a standardized exam that all aspiring law students must take to qualify for admission to their desired law school. This critical test evaluates essential skills such as reading comprehension, logical reasoning, and analytical abilities.

The LSAT consists of numerous sections that assess various aspects of a student’s aptitude for legal study. As a result, this exam is widely recognized as challenging. Prior to August 2024, students frequently struggled with specific sections, notably the “Logic Games” section. While it was eliminated this fall, its questionable past is worth noting. 

This segment required test takers to apply logical reasoning to complex scenarios, which many found daunting. Numerous students opted to engage in various preparatory methods to enhance their scores, especially in the Logic Games section and the exam overall. These included enrolling in LSAT prep courses, using study aids and practice materials, or seeking help from private tutors. These resources aimed to provide strategies, practice, and support that can significantly impact their performance on this important test. However, these courses were often financially out of reach for many minority students.

Lack of Mentors

The predominance of white individuals in the legal field contributes to a significant shortage of BIPOC faculty members and mentors. This lack of representation creates a barrier for marginalized students seeking guidance and support, which is crucial for their academic and emotional well-being.

Research has shown that a diverse faculty can foster an inclusive environment where all students feel seen and valued. In comparison, the absence of BIPOC role models can lead to feelings of isolation and disconnect for these students, ultimately affecting their mental health. Additionally, the challenges faced by African American students and other students of color are compounded by frequent encounters with racism, discrimination, and stereotyping, both from faculty and peers. These experiences not only make navigating law school more challenging but also impact these students’ overall academic performance and their ability to excel in a competitive environment. In contrast, white students typically do not face these same systemic challenges, contributing to a disparity in experiences within the legal education landscape.

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Legal Talk Network is thrilled to congratulate Dennis Kennedy, a legal tech consultant, director at Michigan State University’s College of Law and co-host of The Kennedy-Mighell Report, on winning the Lifetime Achievement award at the 2024 American Legal Technology Awards in Austin, Texas.  

Since 2009, Dennis and fellow technologist Tom Mighell have led engaging conversations about the latest trends in technology on their podcast. They frequently invite the next generation of innovators on the show to discuss the programs, people, and procedures that are helping them thrive. 

“The ‘Fresh Voices on Legal Tech’ interview series reflects the spirit of giving back—helping emerging voices, just as the pioneers before me once did for me,” Dennis wrote on his blog. 

Cat Moon, co-host of Talk Justice and recent guest on the Kennedy-Mighell Report, introduced Dennis at the ceremony. 

“Your generosity knows no bounds and the first thing I tell anyone who wants to explore and do work in legal tech is, ‘Be like Dennis,’ Cat commented post-event. 

Earlier this year, Cat facilitated a “contrarian conversation” about the intersection of innovation, technology and creating access to legal services and legal help, with Dennis and Jane Ribadeneyra of Legal Services Corporation, remarking that Dennis “just knows his stuff.” 

Dennis’s work doesn’t stop at podcasting. As an accomplished author, speaker, and educator, he has long been a thought leader and trusted voice on topics from digital transformation in law to practical applications of emerging technologies like AI. 

His legacy will undoubtedly continue to influence and inspire the next generation of tech-savvy legal professionals.

The Legal Tech Community’s Praise

Across social media, trailblazers congratulated Dennis on this well-deserved accomplishment, sharing how Dennis personally impacted their careers. 

“Dennis has always been generous to me as I built a legal tech career,” Clio’s Lawyer in Residence Joshua Lenon wrote on LinkedIn. “A hero to many in this community for his actions, dedication, and spirit.”

“Dennis is one of the most thoughtful and smart humans in legal tech,” Gabriela Cubeiro shared. “He was one of the first industry people I met over a decade ago, and he was incredibly gracious to us at CASEpeer Legal Software back in the startup days.” 

In honor of this celebration, we’ve compiled some of our favorite Dennis Kennedy quotes from the past few years. 

Dennis Kennedy’s Words of Wisdom

“Your contributions, no matter how small they may seem at first, have the potential to make a significant impact.”

“I hear a lot of lawyers say they’re proud to be dinosaurs and are hoping they’ll exit successfully before the big asteroid hits. But I’d push back on that. There are lawyers all over the world who are doing creative things with technology and pushing the boundaries of the practice.”

“Make it easy for people to work with you.”

“When I hear people talk about conferences, what they’re saying to me sounds like Yelp reviews. They talk about parties. They talk about the cocktails they had, the swag they got, the hallway conversations, how far they had to walk and why there couldn’t be more golf carts. And to me, I’d rather they say, ‘Here are the cool things we learned at this conference.’” 

“Every year, I try to identify a new tech skill or topic I want to learn well. That doesn’t mean that I actually accomplish it, but that’s sort of the discipline I’ve tried to develop.”

To read Dennis’s full reflection and the 8 key lessons that have shaped his career, read his blog entry here.

Legal Talk Network hosts and listeners had an unforgettable time connecting, learning, and sharing big ideas at Clio’s Cloud Conference in Austin, TX October 7-9, 2024.

With more than 2,500 legal professionals attending in-person and 1,500 tuning in virtually, this year’s “ClioCon” proved to be Clio’s most popular conference to date.

Judge Victoria Pratt emphasized the importance of dignity in her keynote, while Educator Nita Farahany invited attendees to rethink the way they use generative AI.

Atomic Habits Author James Clear also gave a keynote, equipping attendees with the tools and mentality they need to be 1% better every day.

We had the privilege of interviewing more than a dozen thought leaders at the conference and reconnected with old friends.

Listen to the whole slate of interviews on site at Clio Cloud Conference 2024 by subscribing to On the Road, scroll to the end of the page for our Conference Player.

Harness Your Momentum

The next few years promise to be hugely transformative for the legal industry, and attorneys who maintain a focus on their firm’s momentum are bound to have greater success. Clio CEO Jack Newton discussed technology trends and tactics that will help lawyers stay ahead of the game and talked through AI’s impacts in the legal profession in his interview with us. He also gave a sneak peek at Clio’s latest product updates and investments.

On the Road

Harness Your Momentum with Jack Newton — Clio Cloud Conference 2024

Practical Clio Duo Automation for Your Law Firm

One of the biggest splashes at this year’s ClioCon was the launch of Clio Duo, an AI-powered assistant to enhance your practice management software. Christopher Anderson sat down with Jonathan Watson to learn the ins and outs of this new tool and practical use-case scenarios for attorneys and law firm staff. They discuss a day in the life of Clio Duo and highlight some of its powerful features that increase productivity and efficiency in your legal practice. 

Jonathan Watson is the Chief Technology Officer at Clio.

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Practical Clio Duo Automation for Your Law Firm — Clio Cloud Conference 2024

Deep Dive on the 2024 Legal Trends Report

Joshua Lenon sat down with Un-Billable Hour Host Christopher Anderson and On the Road Host Laurence Colletti to discuss the newest findings in Clio’s Legal Trends Report, just released an hour earlier.

Unsurprisingly, this year’s Legal Trends Report significantly showcased AI’s ever-developing impacts in the legal world. To examine this and other major findings of the report, Christopher Anderson and Laurence Colletti welcome Clio’s Joshua Lenon to unpack and explain new trends. They discuss AI’s many uses and current acceptance amongst lawyers and clients, outline new billing trends, and more. 

Joshua Lenon is an attorney and serves as lawyer-in-residence for Clio, providing legal scholarship and research skills to the cloud-based practice management platform.

On the Road

Practical Clio Duo Automation for Your Law Firm — Clio Cloud Conference 2024

New Technology Requires New Regulation (Let’s talk before it’s too late!)

Panelists Jayne Reardon, Chris Bentley, and Phil Brown explored the urgent need for regulatory adaptation in light of rapid technological advances, as well as the massive civil justice gap that leaves 70% of Americans without necessary legal assistance.

They argued that outdated regulations hinder lawyers from using modern technology, like AI and virtual tools, to serve a broader clientele and enhance access to justice. They debated the barriers posed by traditional licensing, state restrictions, and the “unauthorized practice of law” rules, emphasizing that these regulations often prevent tech companies from reaching the public directly. Their ultimate goal? For legal reforms that prioritize the public interest, advocating for smarter regulation that meets the needs of both clients and attorneys in the digital age.

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Practical Clio Duo Automation for Your Law Firm — Clio Cloud Conference 2024

How Midsize and Large Law Firms Can Stay Competitive

Differentiating your law firm in a competitive market is essential for success. Dan Lear talks with session speakers Bob Simon, Rob Dickson, and Jenny Dingus about highlights from their panel geared toward midsize and large law firms. In the new age of AI, they discuss the latest implementations for legal software (including Clio Grow), genAI tools, automation, marketing, and more, helping firms understand how to adapt to changing trends.

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How Midsize & Large Law Firms Can Stay Competitive — Clio Cloud Conference 2024

Business Principles for Unprincipled Times

Guest host Dan Lear from InfoTrack interviewed Mark Britton, the founder of Avvo.com and former Expedia executive, and Clio’s VP of Growth Marketing Alex Shipillo about legal and business leadership. They emphasized the importance of setting clear, ethical business goals and adapting a customer-first mindset, even in traditionally conservative fields like law. The discussion explored the legal profession’s unique culture of pessimism, where risk-spotting is favored over opportunity-spotting, and how this mindset can stymie growth and innovation within law firms.

Britton challenges lawyers to adopt business principles like goal-setting, effective KPI use, and people management, skills often lacking in legal training. He also addressed common pitfalls in legal firm management, like poor communication and insufficient employee feedback, stressing the need for consistent, transparent discussions to avoid end-of-year surprises.

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Business Principles for Unprincipled Times – Clio Cloud Conference 2024

Law Firm Finances with CPN Legal (Scaling your firm doesn’t have to cause a headache!)

InfoTrack Sales Manager Karolina Sikorska and Account Executive Lydia Malone hosted Peggy Gruenke, founder of CPN Legal, a Cincinnati-based bookkeeping service dedicated exclusively to Clio users. Peggy, a seasoned legal professional, shared her journey of building a family-run business focused on helping law firms manage finances, ensuring compliance, and optimizing cash flow.

She highlighted the importance of working closely with law firms to develop trust and accountability, offering critical insights into legal financial management. Peggy’s passion shines through as she discusses her team’s collaborative culture, their commitment to confidentiality, and even Jasper, the office dog who has become a beloved part of Zoom meetings with clients.

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Law Firm Finances with CPN Legal – Clio Cloud Conference 2024

How Reisman Award Winners Are Selected & What Makes This Year’s Recipients Special 

To celebrate and reward folks who are utilizing Clio to the maximum degree, the Reisman Awards honor those who stand out with excellence in their legal practice. Laurence Colletti talks with Clio’s Taylor Lecky and Nick Anderson about the selection process, and they also highlight some of this year’s winners. Legal Talk Network was proud to be the media partner in support of the Reisman’s Legal Impact Award. Congratulations to Charleston Legal Access (CLA), established to fill a critical void in the legal community in Charleston, SC, access to justice for the working class and those earning too much to qualify for free legal services yet unable to afford private attorneys. 

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How Reisman Award Winners Are Selected & What Makes This Year’s Recipients Special — Clio Cloud Conference 2024

A Conversation with Clio’s VP of Legal

From Ireland to Canada, Niamh Pollak’s legal journey is rich, marked by years of experience in private practice and fintech. Joining Clio as it surged into prominence, she now steers the company through a maze of global regulations and privacy standards. In her exclusive interview with Laurence Colletti, she unveiled the pressures of maintaining compliance in a platform that operates across borders, where each jurisdiction—like the EU’s strict GDPR or California’s privacy laws—demands unique approaches. Pollak also shared insights into leading a high-stakes team and her willingness to mentor budding lawyers aiming to break into the in-house world, emphasizing adaptability and AI fluency. For those inspired by tech’s intersection with law, her story is a testament to resilience, precision, and leadership in an ever-evolving industry.

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A Conversation with Niamh Pollak – Clio Cloud Conference 2024

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The problem of homelessness and the challenges faced by homeless individuals have recently garnered unprecedented attention. In Los Angeles, a city where the issue of homeless families has long been a silent, looming crisis, both the city and county authorities have released reports and are actively addressing the necessary actions.

However, putting an end to chronic homelessness demands a concerted effort, including political determination, effective leadership, collaboration, and coordination among various state and local programs to pool resources for housing and supportive services.

Change Starts at the Top

The National Association of Counties (NACo) has highlighted a critical insight gained from efforts to end veteran homelessness: the importance of strong commitments and coordinated efforts among state and local elected officials. This collaborative approach is crucial for generating the momentum to effectively address chronic homelessness.

According to NACo, governors, mayors, and county leaders have a crucial role in bringing together relevant partners, ensuring accountability, and coordinating strategic planning effectively to take on this urgent issue. These leaders should also be responsible for aligning health, behavioral health, reentry and housing policies, and resources to support the expansion and delivery of supportive housing, which can aid in ending homelessness.

“I hate to say it’s not rocket science, but in many ways it’s not,” said Breanne Schuster, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union. “It’s just a choice of whether or not we want to dedicate funds and resources and make changes in that way.”

Insights From an Expert Attorney

Carolyn Perez, a program counsel at the Legal Services Corporation and former senior counsel at the Washington Legal Clinic for the Homeless (WLCH), recently shared her insights on Talk Justice regarding her experience providing civil legal services to individuals facing homelessness.

In the interview, Perez emphasized the prevalence of misconceptions surrounding homelessness, stressing that those visible on the streets represent just a fraction of the issue, while many homeless families remain unseen. She also sheds light on the impact of legal challenges such as medical debt, domestic violence, and natural disaster recovery, all of which contribute significantly to the loss of housing.

Perez also explained her specific views on how to combat this problem by reiterating that homelessness is not a personal failure but a policy choice that individuals can change with the appropriate resources, political will, and commitment to equity.

To listen to this episode in full, click on the link below.

Governor Newsom’s Executive Order

Expanding on California’s persistent endeavors and substantial financial commitments to combat homelessness, Governor Gavin Newsom took a significant step on July 25, 2024, by issuing an executive order. This order mandated that state agencies and departments implement explicit policies aimed at swiftly addressing homeless encampments, all while supporting and assisting those living there. This decision was prompted by a recent Supreme Court ruling in City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, which empowered cities to enforce prohibitions on sleeping in public spaces.

According to the 2023 Annual Homelessness Assessment Report (AHAR) submitted to Congress by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, California is facing a daunting challenge. It is home to the largest homeless population in the country, with over 180,000 individuals living on California’s streets. In an episode of Lawyer 2 Lawyer, J. Craig Williams and guest Gary Blasi, Professor of Law Emeritus at the UCLA School of Law, engage in a discussion about Governor Newsom’s executive order to remove homeless encampments in California. They explore the implications of this order, the recent Supreme Court decision in City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, and the impact that this decision may have on the homeless community.

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Every October 23rd, National Paralegal Day is observed to recognize and appreciate the invaluable contributions of paralegals. These dedicated professionals are responsible for conducting thorough legal research and managing extensive paperwork, playing a critical role in the operational success of law firms. Attorneys and judges who bear ultimate responsibility for paralegals’ work put significant trust in their expertise and efficiency.

Differences Between Paralegals and Legal Assistants

Legal offices, like other organizations, must effectively manage a variety of financial, administrative, and professional tasks to operate successfully. Within a firm, these responsibilities are usually divided among lawyers, paralegals, legal assistants, and other staff members. While paralegals and legal assistants share many similarities and are often grouped together, there are distinct differences between these two roles.

A Paralegal’s Role

A paralegal is a specialized legal assistant who has undergone specific training and education in legal practices and procedures. For instance, paralegals are typically required to possess a degree in paralegal studies or a related field, and they may also need to obtain certification from a professional organization.

While there is some overlap with the responsibilities of a legal assistant, paralegals primarily focus on legal tasks such as:

• Conducting in-depth legal research
• Preparing legal documents and files
• Interviewing individuals’ part of the case and witnesses
• Assisting with case preparation  
• Contributing to trial preparation

However, it is important to note that paralegals are not authorized to offer legal advice or represent clients in court. Rather, they are an integral part of the team, ensuring that legal claims are properly prepared and effectively managed.

A Legal Assistant’s Role

A legal assistant, also known as a legal secretary, is a professional who offers administrative and legal support to lawyers and law firms. Their responsibilities encompass a wide range of tasks, including:

• Assisting with document preparation
• Maintaining organized filing systems and case records
• Scheduling client meetings
• Handling phone communications and
• Collaborating with other professionals, such as expert witnesses and court reporters

While legal assistants are not authorized to practice law or provide legal advice, and formal legal education is not always required (a high school diploma is often sufficient), they play a critical role in supporting lawyers and ensuring that clients receive top-notch representation.

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The Main Differences Between a Legal Assistant and Paralegal

The primary distinction between legal assistants and paralegals lies in their responsibilities and the level of their legal education and training. Paralegals, with their more extensive legal education, are often tasked with drafting legal documents, conducting legal research, and providing support in client communication.

In comparison, legal assistants primarily focus on clerical and administrative tasks, including managing and preparing documents and files, facilitating communication with clients and other parties, and scheduling court dates and other appointments. However, it should be noted that these two terms may be used interchangeably depending on the specific employer or the area where the individual is working.

Both Positions Contribute to Rewarding and Fulfilling Roles

Legal assistants and paralegals are essential to the legal field, providing vital support to attorneys and ensuring the seamless operation of legal processes. If you enjoy handling administrative tasks and take pleasure in maintaining the organizational aspects of legal proceedings, a career as a legal assistant may be the perfect fit for you. On the other hand, if you have a strong interest in actively participating in legal case preparation and courtroom proceedings, pursuing a career as a paralegal could be an excellent option.

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The role of antitrust regulations is expanding with the implementation of new regulatory frameworks worldwide. This expansion means that businesses operating across the globe are now encountering a more intricate set of rules that they must adhere to. This year has been particularly significant for global antitrust, and businesses have had to forecast and actively maneuver through the evolving enforcement landscape to maintain a competitive edge. In the blog post below, we will review some of the more recent antitrust cases and analyze their impact on both businesses and consumers.

DOJ v. Live Nation-Ticketmaster

In May 2024, the United States Department of Justice (DOJ), in collaboration with 30 state and district attorneys general, took legal action by filing a civil antitrust lawsuit against Live Nation Entertainment Inc. and its wholly-owned subsidiary, Ticketmaster LLC (Live Nation-Ticketmaster). The lawsuit alleges that Live Nation-Ticketmaster has engaged in monopolistic practices and other illegal conduct that hinder competition in various sectors of the live entertainment industry. This legal action, which includes a request for structural relief, aims to reinstate fair competition within the live concert industry, enhance affordable options for fans, and create opportunities for musicians and other artists to access venues.

As of August 2024, The Attorneys General of Indiana, Kansas, Iowa, Mississippi, Louisiana, New Mexico, Nebraska, South Dakota, Vermont, and Utah have joined the civil antitrust lawsuit. The DOJ has also filed an amended complaint that alleges further details about Live Nation-Ticketmaster’s anticompetitive course of conduct in markets across the live entertainment industry.

Lee Hepner, a California-based antitrust lawyer and Senior Legal Counsel for the American Economic Liberties Project, explains how Ticketmaster’s practices impacted Taylor Swift’s Eras Tour and the potential impact this could have on the ticket sales giant and future ticket sales on Lawyer 2 Lawyer:

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DOJ v. Live Nation-Ticketmaster

United States v. Google LLC

On January 24, 2023, the United States Department of Justice initiated an ongoing federal antitrust case against Google LLC, commonly referred to as United States v. Google LLC. The lawsuit alleged that Google has engaged in illegal monopolistic practices in the advertising technology (ad tech) market, violating the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890. The case focuses on Google’s alleged anticompetitive behavior and its impact on the ad tech industry.

In August 2024, a federal court largely ruled in favor of the Department of Justice and most states in their antitrust lawsuit against Google. The court determined that Google holds a monopoly in the markets for general search services and text ads. This was found to be due to Google enhancing its power through exclusive distribution agreements that established Google as the default search engine, which in turn led to increased ad prices. Despite the ruling, Google has already announced plans to appeal and could potentially present solid arguments for a reversal. Notably, Google may challenge the Justice Department’s narrow market definitions and its failure to provide evidence to support those definitions.

United States and Plaintiff States v. RealPage

In August 2024, the Justice Department, in collaboration with the Attorneys General of Oregon, Tennessee, North Carolina, Connecticut, Minnesota, California, Colorado, and Washington, took legal action by filing a civil antitrust lawsuit against RealPage Inc.

The lawsuit alleges that RealPage Inc. was involved in an illegal operation to reduce competition among landlords in apartment pricing and attempt to establish a monopoly in the market for commercial revenue management software, which landlords use to set apartment prices. The alleged actions by RealPage Inc. are claimed to have adverse effects on renters, depriving them of the advantages of a competitive market for apartment leasing terms and impacting millions of Americans.

Assistant Attorney General Jonathan Kanter of the Antitrust Division at the Department of Justice has stated that the purpose of the lawsuit is to enhance housing affordability for millions of people nationwide. Additionally, the lawsuit serves as a reminder to companies about the DOJ’s heightened scrutiny of the growing use of algorithms and artificial intelligence in various sectors of the economy. Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco emphasized that “training a machine to break the law is still breaking the law. Today’s action makes clear that we will use all our legal tools to ensure accountability for technology-fueled anticompetitive conduct.”     

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In recent years, there has been an extraordinary surge in commercial space activity, driven by remarkable advancements such as reusable rockets and the rise of private space companies. This surge has unlocked countless opportunities, spanning from the deployment of satellites to the arrival of space tourism, offering a new frontier for trailblazers in space technology.

However, as we push the boundaries of technology to expand our presence amongst the stars, it becomes increasingly apparent that there is an urgent need to establish clear guidelines and regulations regarding this exploration. Extensive legal frameworks to regulate and govern space will ensure safe and responsible exploration as astronauts and scientists use this celestial realm.

What Is Space Law?

Space law is an intricate system of legal principles, treaties, and regulations governing various outer space-related activities. The fundamental objective of these laws is to ensure conscientious behavior, bolster safety protocols, and facilitate harmonious collaboration among nations in space exploration.

A unique case emerged in 2019 when NASA Astronaut Anne McClain was accused of illegally accessing her wife’s bank account during her stay on the International Space Station.

The claims eventually turned out to be false, but the situation brought up variety of legal issues and questions about how to litigate a crime committed in space.

Listen to the following Lawyer 2 Lawyer episode to learn more about space law, the Space Force, and the interplay between science fiction and space:

The Outer Space Treaty

The origins of space law can be attributed to the intense geopolitical rivalry of the Cold War era, which resulted in the signing of pivotal agreements such as the Outer Space Treaty of 1967.  

The Outer Space Treaty, which was signed by the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States, sets out a detailed framework for the peaceful use of outer space. It explicitly prohibits the placement of weapons of mass destruction in space, ensuring that outer space remains a demilitarized zone.

Additionally, it preserves the freedom of exploration for all nations and establishes the principle of non-appropriation, ensuring that no country can claim sovereignty over celestial objects. These principles not only encourage peaceful cooperation but also form the basis for a globally collaborative approach to space exploration.

Regulatory Issues in Space

The legal challenges associated with commercial space activities are complex and multifaceted, primarily due to the limitations of traditional legal frameworks in addressing the issues related to space exploration, such as:

• Liability for space debris
• The protection of intellectual property rights and
• The ethical and legal considerations surrounding resource exploitation in space

As a result, nations worldwide are placing greater emphasis on protecting their space assets. This dedication is evident in the Pentagon’s focused efforts to safeguard commercial satellites as a critical component of its space strategy. Likewise, the European Space Agency has implemented advanced encryption and cybersecurity measures to bolster the defense of its valuable space assets. The agency is also actively involved in improving its space situational awareness capabilities and proactively mitigating the risks posed by space debris.

Space Law Collaboration

Due to the far-reaching impact of space activities, countries must work together closely to identify and address any gaps in regulations and ensure compliance with international law.

That is why international agreements and platforms for multilateral cooperation, such as the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space (COPUOS), serve as critical platforms for fostering consensus on a wide range of space-related issues. This committee is pivotal in facilitating international cooperation and coordination for the peaceful exploration and use of outer space.

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A 2017 study published by the American Psychological Association found that approximately 90% of people would prefer to not be informed of when and how they will die if a crystal ball or all-knowing source could reveal it.

But for Marilyn Mulero, an Illinoisan mom who was wrongfully convicted of murder, she didn’t have a choice of whether or not she’d get a peek at her fate. 

As she sat alone in the courtroom on the day of her sentencing, abandoned by her unreliable attorney and unable to process what was going on, the bailiffs approached her. 

“Do you know what just happened here?” they asked.

She told them no. 

A couple phone calls and hours later, as Mulero was heading back to her housing unit, her situation finally became clear. 

Bombarded by fellow inmates, she instantly became overwhelmed by shouts and cries. 

“They sentenced you to death by lethal injection. That mean the state’s going to f***ing kill you,” she heard one woman shout at her. Others shared similar sentiments. 

Her world instantly felt like it was falling apart. 

But how did she get here? How does a responsible and loving mother who puts others before herself wind up being not only accused but convicted of something she had nothing to do with? 

That is the exact subject explored in season two of Legal Talk Network’s podcast, “For the Innocent,” hosted by The Innocence Center’s Executive Director, Michael Semanchik.

Mulero opens up about her unimaginable story of wrongful conviction – and eventual exoneration. 

For The Innocent

Marilyn’s Story: A Plea Deal Turned Deadly

Thanks to the generosity of the Signal Awards judging panel, this episode received a bronze medal in the 2024 Activism, Public Service, & Social Impact category of the 3rd annual Signal Awards! See the award details here.

The Disgraced Detectives

Disgraced former Chicago Police Detective Reynaldo Guevara and Ernest Halvorsen played a significant role in Mulero’s conviction. 

After leaving a funeral, Mulero met the detectives for the first time. They handcuffed her, drove her to Humboldt Park, and started questioning her at the location of the murder, trying to get her to confess for 10-15 minutes. 

Then they forced her to stand in front of the Latin Kings, a street gang famous for engaging in drug trafficking, assault, burglary, identity theft, money laundering, and homicide. 

Guevara and Halvorsen falsely claimed that they received a confession framing Mulero, but there was never any actual evidence of that. 

Mulero is just one of the many people harmed by these unqualified and manipulative detectives. According to WTTW News, Guevara alone has cost the county at least $62.5M for his misconduct and still has 33 lawsuits pending. 

The National Registry of Exonerations compiled a list of defendants subjected to unjust treatment by the detectives, available here. 

The Life-Changing Clemency Petition

In April 2020, Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker signed Mulero’s clemency petition, the first step in granting her freedom. 

She finally received authorization to go home after spending 27.5 years in prison.  

Two and a half years later in August 2022, Mulero’s conviction was officially reversed by Cook County State’s Attorney Kimberly Foxx. This made Mulero the 190th person exonerated from death row in the U.S.

Mulero is deeply grateful for the support she’s received from various innocence communities, but continues to face significant challenges as she struggles to adapt to life after prison.
To hear her whole story unfold, listen to her interview on For the Innocent.

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Marilyn’s Story: A Plea Deal Turned Deadly

Legal writing projects, encompassing legal briefs, motions, and closing arguments, are often the backbone of a law firm’s workload. These documents play a critical role in advocating for clients and presenting legal arguments. That is why it is imperative for legal professionals to consistently refine their writing skills to gain a competitive advantage in this aspect of their work. In the below guide, we will review five tips that can help you create the most persuasive and impactful briefs possible.

1. Break Up Longer Sentences

One of the most effective ways to enhance your writing is by shortening sentences, which helps to make the content more concise and easier to understand. In the context of legal writing, it is common for writers to incorporate complex concepts, which often results in lengthy sentences that attempt to encompass multiple ideas. However, resist the urge to use such convoluted structures and instead strive for clarity and conciseness.

2. Be Clear in Your Writing

After finishing a brief, take the time to reread it and ensure it is clear. Start by examining the headings and ask yourself the following questions:

• Do the headings flow logically from one to the next?
• Are there any necessary steps that have been omitted?
• Do they effectively cover all the points you intend to make?

From there, carefully review the argument presented under each heading and ask yourself:

• Does the argument support the corresponding heading, or would it be more appropriately placed elsewhere?
• Do you require additional evidence or support for the heading?
• Have you provided appropriate citations to legal authority for each position?

3. Use Shorter Words

Considering the frequency with which judges and lawyers review legal documents daily, try to prepare concise briefs and clearly communicate your arguments. For instance, try to use declarative sentences supported by references to authoritative sources. This will prevent important points from being buried in overly lengthy briefs. As Adriana Linares points out, “Judges aren’t impressed with fancy words and jargon. A clear, easy-to-read legal brief is easier to follow to the conclusion you want your reader to reach.”

Consider replacing these boring phrases in the left column with the concise and more straightforward words on the right:

4. Try To Be Persuasive

According to the California Lawyers Association, one effective method for improving a brief is to be persuasive by finding a relevant statute or case that aligns with the facts of your case. Then, in your brief, you will want to:

• Provide the rule of law
• Apply it to your case’s facts and
• Come up with a conclusion from that application

Make sure to also “Shepardize” cases and statutes to ensure that you are not using an overruled or depublished case or a statute that has been amended or repealed. Shepardizing involves checking the subsequent history of a case or statute to see if it has been treated negatively by later decisions or legislation.

In addition, consider including an introductory paragraph in your brief that provides a concise summary of your main arguments. This can help orient your readers to the key issues right from the start.

5. Turn To the Experts for Help

In the words of Sandra Day O’Connor, “We don’t accomplish anything in this world alone.”

There are numerous resources like podcasts and books, as well as contacts from law schools and firms across the country, who would love to share their knowledge with you so you don’t have to feel alone as you stare at a blank page.

For example, the “Brief-Writing Ninja,” AKA Chris Schandevel, reveals the tips that helped him stop writing “like a lawyer” and start writing clearly on New Solo, hosted by Adriana Linares.

In the episode, Schandevel discusses what he put in his three-page style guide to improve the quality of legal writing and enhance clear formatting. He emphasizes the importance of using plain and straightforward language to present legal arguments effectively, as this approach can help the court better understand the case and perceive the intended message.

To learn more about the biggest mistakes lawyers make and hear the easiest strategies you can start implementing today to improve your legal writing, play the podcast episode below.

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Early Monday morning, SEO and digital marketing experts Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam hosted a live taping of Lunch Hour Legal Marketing podcast and shared practical tips to help firms grow and market in today’s changing digital landscape. Gyi and Conrad responded live to questions about how attendees could grow their websites, make the most of their social media channels, paid advertising strategies, and differentiate themselves in a crowded region.

Gyi and Conrad each own marketing agencies serving law firms, predominantly personal injury, bankruptcy, family, and immigration, and bring their insights from that work to share with listeners on the Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Podcast. The conversation is often about the underlying algorithms from important keyword bidding sites, local profile tools, and how to effectively use third party tools and your website.

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Then Legal Talk Network interviewed Filevine leaders and conference speakers about their upcoming innovations in the software designed to make their platform ever more relevant and useful to firms in more aspects of their matter.

Gyi Tsakalakis talks with Ryan Anderson, Founder and CEO of Filevine to discuss the latest trends in tech and what types of AI tools are actually creating new and better approaches to legal work. They also discuss the variability of KPIs across different practice areas and which ones might be major indicators of success in a law firm. 

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LEX Summit 2024: KPIs, Industry Trends, and Takeaways with Ryan Anderson

On the Road host Laurence Colletti talks with Filevine Legal Futurist Dr. Cain Elliot about highlights from his AI-centered session on implementing AI to improve the quality and delivery of legal services and increasing profitability. They discuss reliable go-to tools available in the legal tech sphere and what legal professionals should be doing to engage effectively with this quickly evolving technology.

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LEX Summit 2024: Driving ROI with AI

Laurence Colletti welcomes Jordan Berman to On the Road to discuss her path from attorney to podcaster. Jordan’s interest in both current events and the law drove her to launch Unbiased, a podcast that strives to provide impartial analysis and education on the latest items to hit the news. She describes her podcasting process, social media approach, and her hope to inform her listeners with balanced, factual information on current events.

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LEX Summit 2024: Jordan Berman of Unbiased Podcast

Predicting your law firm’s revenue each month can be done with an informed approach and the right tools. On the Road welcomes Jacqueline Bretell to hear highlights from her conference session on forecasting business income. Jacqueline offers insights on leveraging your law firm’s metrics to effectively predict earnings and make better, more profitable decisions for your team. 

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LEX Summit 2024: Profit-ology and the Art of Forecasting

The buying and selling of a law firm is a complicated transaction, and changes in certain areas of the legal industry are driving new sales. Seth Deutsch and Fred Litwiniuk talk through notes from their session on how to approach this process, with insights on both sides of the transaction. They discuss how to assess the strength and saleability of your firm, what data to leverage, and other elements essential to a successful sale.

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LEX Summit 2024: How to Sell Your Law Firm to Private Equity

CEO of Gold Law, Craig Goldfarb shares simple, easy to execute ideas for attorneys looking to market their law firms in creative ways on our conference-focused podcast On the Road. Getting your law firm’s name in front of prospective clients is essential to your success, but it’s not always easy to make it happen. Craig shares tips for social media, community outreach, newsletters, swag, and more.

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The observation of Hispanic Heritage Month began in 1968 as Hispanic Heritage Week under President Lyndon Johnson, and it was later expanded by President Ronald Reagan in 1988 to last 30 days.

This year is particularly special because it’s the 70-year anniversary of Hernandez v. Texas, 347 U.S. 475. This landmark case was the first and only Mexican-American civil rights case heard and decided by the United States Supreme Court. 

To kick off this important month, we’re featuring a few Hispanic lawyers who have inspired us.

Chief Justice Dori Contreras

Chief Justice Dori Contreras shattered barriers as the first woman to lead the Thirteenth Court of Appeals and, at the time of her election, become only the second Latina to serve as a Chief Justice statewide.

She learned the importance of hard work from her dedicated parents and made them proud when she became the first in her family to receive a college degree. After working as an accountant, getting married, and having two daughters, Chief Justice Contreras received her Doctor of Jurisprudence degree from theUniversity of Houston Law Center in 1990.

She went on to manage a law office in San Antonio, make partner at a civil trial firm, and then open her own mediation practice. Her talent and grit were noticed, and she received a recommendation by the Texas congressional delegation for nomination by the White House to a United States District Court seat in Corpus Christi, Texas, in 2010.

No matter how busy Chief Justice Contreras is, she always makes it a priority to give back to her community. She makes frequent visits to local schools in her community to meet the students and lead by example. 

Julio Oyhanarte

Julio Oyhanarte captivates millions with his magnetic presence and on and off TikTok.

Julio was born and raised in Buenos Aires, Argentina, a vibrant and diverse city known for its eclectic architecture, succulent food, and rich cultural heritage. Immersed in this dynamic environment, Julio developed a deep understanding of the legal landscape, eventually leading him to specialize in constitutional, civil, and business law. For over a decade, he dedicated himself to his firm in Argentina, providing expert legal counsel to individuals and businesses.

In 2010, Julio’s expertise and dedication to the legal field were recognized when he was appointed as a Legal Secretary in the Argentine Federal Judicial Council, where he played a pivotal role in shaping and interpreting legal policies.

Drawing from this experience and knowledge, Julio moved to California, where he established a business and immigration firm, DGO Legal, with his partner Gianfranco De Girolamo. The firm embodies their commitment to passionately and skillfully representing clients from around the world, from assisting people when they establish new companies to guiding individuals through the complex process of obtaining United States citizenship.

Julio’s informational videos and social media posts have helped him reach over 5.8 million followers on TikTok and 132,000 subscribers on YouTube.

To learn how Julio leveraged his social media audiences to grow his law firm, listen to the following episode of the Lawyerist Podcast:

Justice Gina Benavides

Georgina “Gina” Martinez Benavides is a highly respected justice at the Texas Thirteenth Court of Appeals based in Corpus Christi and Edinburg. She has a distinguished career, having been initially elected in 2006 and subsequently re-elected in 2012 and 2018. She currently holds the esteemed position of Senior Justice on the Court. Throughout her tenure as an appellate judge, Justice Benavides has drafted over 1,500 opinions that have addressed many complex issues involving civil and criminal matters.

Beyond her judicial responsibilities, Justice Benavides is widely recognized for her unwavering commitment to public service, tireless efforts to strengthen her community, and steadfast dedication to ensuring equal access to justice for all. Her passion for making a positive impact was evident as a law student, where she served as a student attorney and office manager at the University of Houston’s Legal Aid Clinic. After graduation, she continued her pursuit of justice by excelling as a civil trial attorney. Her exemplary record and dedication ultimately led her to rise to the esteemed position of justice at the Thirteenth Court of Appeals.

This summer, Justice Benavides joined Chief Justice Contreras and Assistant US Attorney Christopher Pineda to explain how Hernandez v. Texas solidified the details of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, giving all nationalities equal protection on the State Bar of Texas Podcast.

Jessica Gonzalez

Jessica Gonzalez is a cannabis attorney, consultant, adjunct professor, and policy advocate. She is an Ecuadorian immigrant who has dedicated her career to uplifting communities harmed by cannabis prohibition through advocacy and education. Jessica has played a significant role in shaping cannabis policy in New Jersey and has guided social equity efforts in more than seven different states.

Jessica’s achievements are nothing short of remarkable:

• Named one of the “Top 100 Most Influential People” in cannabis by High Times magazine
• Honored as one of the “Top 40 under 40 Rising Stars” by Marijuana Venture magazine and Cannabis Now magazine
• Designated as a “Cannabis Law Trailblazer” by the National Law Journal
• Awarded “Community Game Changer of the Year” by NJ Cannabis Media

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When people are asked to name a career that promises wealth and financial stability, “doctor” and “lawyer” are often at the top of the list. These professions have long been associated with high earnings and social prestige.

If you prefer suits over scrubs and briefcases over bandages, a legal career might just be your tailored path to success.

In general, lawyers serve a fundamental role within the judicial system by providing legal interpretation of complex laws and regulations, offering counsel, and advocating for their clients during legal disputes. As a profession, it ranks among the highest-paying careers outside of the medical field, with a median annual wage of $145,760, as reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS).

While the legal profession continues to be a popular career choice for many, it’s important to understand that the annual income for lawyers can vary significantly based on a variety of factors such as their area of specialization, years of experience, the type of law firm or organization they work for, the city where they practice, and their individual skills and reputation.

Not All Jurisdictions Are Created Equally

California has the highest average salary for lawyers, only being surpassed by the District of Columbia, where lawyers command an average annual salary of $226,510. This figure is approximately $138,000 more than the average salary of a lawyer in Wyoming, which is currently the lowest-paying state for lawyers.

In general, the five highest-paying states for lawyers are as follows:

• California ($201,530)
• Massachusetts ($196,230)
• New York ($188,900)
• Delaware ($176,904)
• Connecticut ($174,520)

In comparison, the five lowest-paying states for lawyers include:

• Wyoming ($88,570)
• Idaho ($96,810)
• Montana ($98,170)
• Kentucky ($99,840)
• Mississippi ($101,240)

The Specific Industry You Work For

In addition to the state where an attorney practices, their salary may also be influenced by the specific industry they choose to work in and their level of experience. For instance, lawyers employed in the public sector, such as government or nonprofit organizations, typically earn less than those working in the private sector.

Earnings within the private sector can also vary due to factors such as the size and reputation of the firm and the nature of the work. Working independently or being employed by a large law firm can also significantly impact these earnings, as well as other variables, such as the region and types of cases handled.

The Type of Law You Practice

The type of law an attorney practices can also impact how much they make. Take, for instance, some of the highest-paying legal specialties:

• Chief legal officer: $89,000 to $232,500
• Patent attorney: $95,500 to $179,000
• Health care attorney: $79,000 to $193,500
• Corporate counsel: $111,000 to $174,500
• Contract attorney: $72,500 to $152,500
• Tax attorney: $84,000 to $143,500
• Employment attorney: $101,000 to $152,000
• Environmental attorney: $100,000 to $134,500

The Biggest Money Mistakes to Avoid as a Lawyer

Managing finances can be challenging for many attorneys. More specifically, having a career that often requires late nights at the office and weekend availability makes finding the time to strategically invest earnings and build a personal financial plan an afterthought, when it should be a priority.

New lawyers are particularly vulnerable to financial stress. Despite the potential for high earnings, new lawyers often start their careers at a financial disadvantage due to the expenses incurred during years of schooling and bar exam preparation, along with significant student loan debt.

In a recent episode of Modern Law Library, Darren Wurz, the managing partner at Wurz Financial Services, provides advice for attorneys at the beginning, middle, and end of their careers. He also discusses the seven most prominent money mistakes attorneys can make.

Unlocking Profitability as an Attorney

In the legal game, profitability isn’t always about grand slams— it’s about recruiting the best players.

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In the Lawyerist podcast episode “Unlocking Profitability in Your Law Firm with Moneyball Tactics,” Jeff Krause, a Wisconsin attorney and founding partner of Solfecta, LLC, talks about how lawyers can apply the principles of Moneyball to increase profitability in their law firms.

During the episode, Krause explains how law firms can leverage data analysis to better understand the profitability of their attorneys and clients, using Billy Beane’s strategy. He also provides valuable insights into the steps lawyers can take to enhance their profits and follow in the footsteps of a legend.

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Alternative dispute resolution (ADR) has been increasingly embraced as a more efficient and collaborative approach to resolving disputes in the legal arena. Traditional litigation, known for being costly, adversarial, and time-consuming, has led lawyers and clients to seek out ADR as a viable and cost-effective alternative.

What Is ADR?

Alternative dispute resolution is a wide-ranging set of methods and techniques that offer alternative approaches to resolving conflicts and disputes. ADR has gained recognition as an effective tool for managing and resolving workplace problems that arise from issues such as poor communication, personality conflicts, and allegations of discrimination.

Dispute resolution techniques cover a spectrum of processes, including fact-finding, early neutral evaluation, negotiation, mediation, settlement conferences, arbitration, and adjudication. Each of these methods brings unique strengths and considerations to address a wide range of conflicts fairly, efficiently, effectively, and respectfully. However, the main goal of each of these processes is to:

• Motivate parties to focus on the issues at hand, which can help ensure that the core concerns are not overlooked or disregarded during the resolution process.
• Provide parties with the opportunity to articulate their perspectives on the situation. This ensures that all parties involved have the chance to express their viewpoints, which can lead to a more comprehensive understanding of the issues at stake.
• Allow parties to receive a clear explanation of each other’s viewpoint. This communication fosters understanding and empathy, which are essential for reaching a mutually agreeable resolution.
• Offer individuals a window of opportunity to identify common interests and points of agreement. This step is crucial for building common ground and exploring potential settlement options that satisfy the needs of all parties involved.

Various ADR Methods

Alternative dispute resolution methods offer tailored approaches for addressing specific types of disputes in various contexts. These methods include:

Mediation

Mediation involves a neutral third-party mediator who assists in facilitating communication between the conflicting parties. The mediator works to help the parties reach a voluntary and mutually acceptable resolution. This method is commonly used in various areas, such as employment disputes, family law, divorce, and commercial disputes.

Greg Lewis, a managing attorney at Vernis & Bowling, says he notices better success and a greater ability for parties to control the outcome with mediation but does encourage folks to be open so that they don’t have any regrets later on. “As I put it to the parties when I’m mediator or to the plaintiff when we are about to consummate a settlement agreement, ‘Once you sign off on this agreement, and you’re walking across the parking lot leaving the building today, and you decide, ‘Well, maybe I shouldn’t have done that.’ Well, it’s a little bit late once you’ve inked that agreement,’” he said on Best’s Insurance Podcast.

Arbitration

Arbitration involves a neutral arbitrator who hears arguments and evidence from both parties and makes a legally binding decision. This method is frequently employed in resolving construction, commercial, and labor disputes, offering a quicker and more cost-effective alternative to traditional litigation. International arbitration has become an indispensable tool for resolving cross border conflicts and is gaining prominence in our increasingly interconnected world. Aurore Nicaud explains what to do when contractual and investment disagreements cross borders and international arbitration becomes a challenge for even the best lawyers on Litigation Radio.

Mandatory arbitration in credit card agreements is another popular example. Even though shoppers may not realize it when they initially sign up for a credit card, the agreement usually contains clauses that give up the right to sue in court in advance of any dispute.

Negotiation

Negotiation is a process in which two or more parties communicate directly or through legal representatives to resolve their differences without involving a third party. This method is widely used across various areas of law.

Leigh Thompson explains how to find the sweet spot on Lawyerist Podcast.

Collaborative Law

Collaborative Law is a non-adversarial approach to conflict resolution that involves the cooperation of disputing parties and their attorneys. The goal is to reach an amicable and mutually beneficial solution to their legal issues. This method is commonly used in divorce and family law cases.

To learn more about ADR and its increasing popularity, check out the following Litigation Radio episode, “ADR and the Increasing Popularity of Collaborative Law.”

Current ADR Trends and What It Can Mean for the Future

The increasing popularity of ADR has generated a higher demand for legal professionals who are well-versed in ADR techniques. As a result, law schools have taken proactive measures by incorporating ADR courses into their curriculum, and professional organizations now provide specialized certifications in ADR. This reflects a growing recognition of the importance of ADR in the legal profession. Furthermore, the rise of online dispute resolution (ODR) is revolutionizing the ADR landscape by harnessing technology to resolve disputes remotely. This development is significantly enhancing accessibility and convenience for all parties involved, transforming the traditional methods of dispute resolution.

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The bar examination is a rigorous assessment designed to determine whether a law school graduate is adequately prepared and competent to practice law within a specific jurisdiction. It is widely recognized for its challenging nature and demands thorough preparation due to its comprehensive coverage of legal subject matters. However, because of its complexity, many candidates don’t pass on their initial attempt. If you receive the disappointing news that you failed and are uncertain about your next steps, rest assured that you have options and don’t have to give up your dreams of becoming a lawyer.  

Remember You Are Not Alone

Failing the bar exam does not mean you’re alone or that you’re any less capable. The bar exam is known for its difficulty, and it’s not uncommon for graduates to face challenges in passing it, whether on their first, second, or even third attempt. In many states, the pass rate is less than fifty percent, so failing the bar exam puts you in the company of many other examinees.

Alexandra Graves, an associate attorney at the Law Office of Bell & Bell, recalls failing on her first attempt but not giving up hope.

“I had a bar tutor ask me, ‘Are you stressed about the bar?’ And I said, ‘No! This is not keeping me up at night. This doesn’t even crack the top five.’ I had so much else on my brain that my heart wasn’t in it, and I didn’t really care because even if I passed it, I’d still probably be facing neurosurgery,” Alexandra said.

Alexandra developed a brain tumor during her second year of law school and quickly realized what matters in life and what doesn’t. After recovering, she passed with flying colors and now encourages others to stay positive.

Hear Alexandra’s full story and advice for those who are unhappy with their results by listening to her interview on Young Lawyer Rising:

Take a Look at Your Previous Scores

After reminding yourself that the bar exam is just a single assessment and not a reflection of your overall capabilities, examine your score report to pinpoint the specific areas in which you excelled and those in which you struggled. This step is particularly valuable if you are considering a retake of the exam. Once you have identified the sections in which you underperformed, you can prioritize studying and practicing the material within those sections in greater depth to enhance your preparedness for your next attempt.

In the words of Richard Douglas, COO of Themis Bar Review, “You are never going to be able to master all the material. You just have to master enough to be successful on the exam day.”

Determine Your Next Steps

Before deciding to retake the exam, it is important to reflect on your previous attempt and identify the areas where you need improvement. You should review your previous exam results, seek feedback from professors or mentors, and consider enrolling in a bar exam preparation course. Additionally, setting a study schedule, practicing past exam questions, and seeking support from peers or support groups can all be beneficial steps in preparing for a successful retake.

Reflect on Your Bar Prep and Make Changes

Take the time to thoroughly assess the comprehensiveness and effectiveness of your study materials. Consider whether you relied on a single source or if you diversified your resources. In addition, evaluate whether your materials were kept up-to-date to ensure the most accurate and relevant information.

If you believe your previous prep materials fell short, consider exploring alternative options. This could involve experimenting with new study techniques, such as incorporating flashcards into your routine, investing in different prep books, or even seeking personalized one-on-one exam support.

Identifying strategies that can take your preparation to the next level is also important. For instance, reflect on whether you completed a solid number of practice questions and essays and regularly practiced under timed conditions. Did you thoroughly analyze and learn from your mistakes, or were you simply skimming through them to identify the correct answers? An honest evaluation of these aspects will help refine and enhance your overall preparation strategy.

Have a Laugh

Sometimes laughter really is the best medicine. According to Dr. Brian Harman, laughter evokes trust and psychological safety. Not only that, but the best leaders are the ones who can laugh in the face of failure.

Whether you need a pick-me-up or something funny to listen to in between future study breaks, consider playing any of these fan favorite episodes of Thinking Like a Lawyer from Above the Law to cheer yourself up.

Don’t know which episode to start with? Consider starting with the first one listed about the irresponsible Illinois bar applicant who took to Reddit to confess to cheating on the exam and the hilarious drama that ensued.

To Learn More About the Practice of Law, Listen to Legal Talk Network’s Shows

Despite the challenges you may have encountered while preparing for the bar exam, you have invested considerable effort into developing the knowledge and skills necessary to succeed in a legal career. If you want to gain further insight into the legal profession and explore its opportunities, subscribe to Legal Talk Network’s podcasts to learn more about the journey to becoming a lawyer.

In January 1972, immigration attorney Leon Wildes received a call from an old law school friend asking for his help with a deportation case involving a musician and his wife. Although Wildes didn’t recognize the couple, he knew he wanted to help them.

By taking on this life-changing deportation case, Wildes went on to expose corruption in the Nixon administration and forever change the United States immigration process.

And that famous couple that retained Wildes? That was none other than John Lennon and Yoko Ono.

Wildes’ inspiring career shows that immigration law not only provides a foundation to represent individuals with fascinating stories, but it also helps you understand how a person’s immigration status can impact them in various aspects of life.

Here’s how you can follow in Wildes’ footsteps and change lives as an immigration lawyer.

Becoming an Immigration Attorney

To begin any career as a legal professional, earning a bachelor’s degree, followed by a juris doctor degree, is usually the first step. While in law school, it is beneficial to take courses related to immigration law and policy, such as immigration law, employment law, refugee law, and international human rights. Immigration law classes are not strictly required to practice in this field, but they can enhance your expertise and potentially improve your job prospects.

Gain Experience

Potential employers and clients often seek attorneys with exposure to immigration law, particularly hands-on legal experience gained through internships, clerkships, clinics, externships, and pro bono activities. These opportunities offer valuable insight into the workings of immigration law and can help set you apart from other candidates.

Continue Learning

Beyond taking specialized classes and acquiring hands-on experience, continuous professional development plays a critical role in the career of immigration lawyers. The legal industry constantly evolves, and staying abreast of the latest changes is essential. There is a wide range of certifications and Continuing Legal Education (CLE) courses available to enable lawyers to stay current with the dynamic landscape of immigration law.

Connect With Others

After earning your law degree and passing the bar exam, the last stage in the process is starting your career. This means that even if you’ve chosen to work independently as a lawyer or join a law firm or government agency, you will need to attract clients. Professional organizations such as American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) can be beneficial, as they organize conferences and events where lawyers and potential clients come together.

Hear Personal Accounts from Immigration Lawyers

In the episodes below, lawyers discuss their work in immigration law and their path to get there.

Immigration Law with Javad Khazaeli

Javad Khazaeli, a seasoned attorney who held senior positions in the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Labor, currently uses his skills and experience to assist immigrants and companies dealing with the federal government. In this two-part episode of The Jury is Out, he debunks the myth that Mexican immigrants make up the majority of people are in the United States without status and reveals where you can get unbiased and reliable immigration law news. 

War in Ukraine: Immigration Attorney Andy Semotiuk Discusses the Humanitarian Crisis

Former United Nations Correspondent Andy Semotiuk joins Trisha Rich and Jennifer Byrne of the Chicago Bar Association for a timely conversation about Ukraine and Russia. Although the overseas conflict is devastating, Semotiuk offers encouragement to those who have left the area, saying, “Immigration is all about heroism. It takes guts to pick up and leave not knowing where you’re going.”

Immigration Law: From Corporate Visas to Pro Bono

On Young Lawyer Rising, Stephanie Baez shares how she landed a job in immigration law after earning her Juris Doctorate from Fordham University. If you’re a recent graduate, this is the perfect episode for you!

Learn More with Legal Talk Network

At Legal Talk Network, we create podcasts with hardworking legal professionals who tell their stories to help the next generation of lawyers to either mirror their journey or learn from their mistakes. If you want to get a more in-depth understanding of immigration law or other legal specializations, hear firsthand accounts from attorneys around the globe, and educate yourself on all things legal, we invite you to listen to our episodes.

Lawyers and “witches” and courtrooms, oh my! 

Unless you grew up in Massachusetts or have a particular interest in colonial America, your knowledge of the Salem Witch Trials may be exclusively dependent on a chapter that you skimmed in your high school history class or snippets from a law school lesson that went in one ear and out the other. However, there’s a lot we can learn from these fascinating trials, particularly how our legal system has evolved since the 1690s.

Attorney J. Craig Williams, a veteran legal podcaster, recently released an episode of his new show In Dispute: 10 Famous Trials That Changed History, that dives into the emotional and chaotic Salem Village courtroom scene with gripping detail and legal insights. In a matter of minutes of listening to the pilot episode, you’ll quickly understand why these trials would never fly under today’s legal standards. 

In Dispute: 10 Famous Trials That Changed History

Salem Witch Trials: How The Hysteria Went Terribly Awry

Here are just a few of the many issues with how things went down in 1693.

Witnesses Used Spectral Evidence

Several witnesses who were brought to the stand to give testimonies told stories of dreams and visions instead of citing actual hard evidence. 

In one specific instance, a witness claimed she saw an “apparition” or ghost-like figure of Sarah Good. As a result, Good was sent to prison.

This type of testimony is referred to as spectral evidence and would quickly be ruled out in today’s courts. Witnesses are called to testify from personal knowledge and sensory perception, not speculated paranormal activity.

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Sarah Good, a poor unmarried woman, was expected to defend herself against the most powerful man in town, all by herself.

The Defense Counsel Was Nonexistent

Chief Judge William Stoughton, who also served as Lieutenant Governor, forbade defense counsel for the accused. 

The absence of skilled lawyers who could have challenged the inaccurate testimonies of angst-ridden teenagers and bitter members of the Salem Village community doomed the innocent from the start and would never be acceptable today. 

In the words of J. Craig Williams, “Had rules of evidence, the right to a defense lawyer, and trained judges been in place, the Salem Witch Trials would have ended quite differently.”

As if depriving the defendants of lawyers wasn’t bad enough, they were also deprived of food leading up to their trials, relying on their families to provide rations.

Defendants Fearfully Admitted Guilt

According to court records, 54 individuals confessed to witchcraft in order to spare their lives. 

Margaret Jacobs, for instance, was only 17 years-old at the time of her guilty admission. Instead of taking sole responsibility for the egregious accusation, she took her minister and grandfather down with her. Following the execution of these men, Jacobs later retracted her statements but still had to serve jail time. 

Samuel Wardwell was another accusee who admitted to witchcraft in hopes that he’d avoid a death sentence. Because he had dabbled in fortune telling as a younger man, he knew he was at risk. Despite his best efforts, Samuel was eventually hanged. 

As Michael Semanchik, the Executive Director of The Innocence Center and host of For the Innocent, says, “For an innocent person to believe it is better to be punished for something they didn’t do, rather than engage in the truth-seeking process of a trial tells us something serious broke down.”

More than 300 years after the Salem Witch Trials, citizens are still admitting fault to crimes they didn’t commit, in fear of steeper and potentially deadly outcomes if they don’t. In 2023 alone, 153 people were cleared of wrongful convictions via exoneration, and countless other have active cases appealing their convictions.

You can hear Marilyn Mulero’s story about being wrongfully convicted of a Chicago gang murder and being sentenced to the death penalty after being persuaded by her attorney to falsely confess in 1992 here on For the Innocent.

The Church and State Weren’t Seen As Separate 

Scholarly research suggests that the desire to police and judge people’s actions, using religious teachings as a guide, likely contributed to the hysteria, deeply influenced by petty rifts between powerful families and rival congregations. 

In his book How Would You Decide?, J. Craig Williams notes that “just prior to the outbreak of the witch trials in Salem, Rev. Cotton Mather, the minister in Boston’s North Church, helped fan the flames of witchcraft with his book, Memorable Providences, Relating to Witchcrafts and Possessions, where he detailed his investigation of a widowed woman suspected of witchcraft.”

When hypervigilant Christians sensed a misguided threat that they were under attack by their fellow citizens, they turned to their holy texts and trusted their religious leaders for guidance. 

In Exodus 22:18 of the King James Version Bible, first published in 1611, it is stated that “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live,” so any affiliation to witchcraft was perceived as sinful behavior. Misinterpretations of this verse spread like wildfire, as villagers who lacked proper context and struggled with reading comprehension spread the news, not realizing they were essentially participating in a dangerous game of “telephone.”

Throughout the trials, the untrained judge of the court turned to religious ministers for advice, instead of consulting with judges or lawyers. 

The witch mayhem occurred before the Constitution was established, so the judge presiding over the cases did not have a supreme law of the land with a foundational legal framework to give the accused men and women a fair trial. 

The Origins of Church-State Separation

Rebecca S. Markert, the Vice President and Legal Director at Americans United for Separation of Church and State, traced the origins of religious liberty in our federal and state courts on Lawyer 2 Lawyer, saying:  

“Thomas Jefferson penned a letter in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists where he explained that the First Amendment of the US Constitution created a wall of separation between church and state. That writing was then later used in a court case that was heard before the Supreme Court in the late 1800s, Reynolds v. United States.

The court in that case wrote that Jefferson’s writing was to be thought of as the most authoritative interpretation of what the First Amendment and, particularly, the establishment clause of the First Amendment means.

That’s where we get this foundational principle that religion and government should be separate. It is also one of the ways that our constitution guarantees equality and that every person is equal before the law. If we are all allowed to believe as we wish and freely, then we are all really equal as United States citizens.”

Listen and Learn

Hear re-enactments of examinations, testimonies, and closing remarks, as well as witty analysis of the Salem Witch Trials by listening to In Dispute.  

This episode will illustrate how modern-day legal principles were misapplied and get a better picture of the social and political dynamics of the time. Plus, you’ll get a better understanding of justice, due process, and the consequences of fear-driven decision-making.

Sponsoring podcasts can be a wonderful complement to your other demand generation activities because podcasts reach niche audiences makes your buy more efficient.

The trick is creating messaging that gets potential customers to respond quickly, do what you’ve asked them to do, and fits in with the show you’re sponsoring.

Podcast listeners are inclined to reject ads, or really any part of a show that misaligns with their expectations, because listeners often get emotionally attached to their favorite shows and hosts and don’t like when content feels artificial or unoriginal.

Here are some tips to help make sure the message is lined up with the interests of the audience, their intentions for listening to that show, and show’s style. What to expect your ad to accomplish for your campaign:

Branding over demand generation:

While podcast players like Spotify and Apple are doing a lot to connect listeners and advertisers, a listener still has to leave the podcast to interact with your product. Make the message easy to remember so they can find you.

Build awareness:

Use your podcast audio ads and their content to differentiate your product from competitors in ways that are meaningful to your ideal buyer. Audio is really intimate so use that proximity to touch on their pain points and make a difference.

Coordinate and complement:

The podcast ads complement the work you’re doing in your other channels, so elements like taglines should be coordinated, the value proposition should be aligned, and landing pages should be inside your site to reflect your branding.

How to structure your ad

Length:

The ads on Legal Talk Network are 30 seconds long. That’s only about 75 words. In an effort to be fair to all sponsors, we try really hard to keep them all the same length. When you deliver a script that’s 200 words, we’re going to have to trim that down. And you might have to take that back for more approvals. Here are some sample scripts to get you started.

Occasionally you’ll hear a 60-second ad that is an exclusive option we allow for one of the four show sponsors if they can provide enough content to justify that information becoming a featured part of the show, at an extra cost. We call those Branded Content Features. Here are some samples of the Branded Content Feature we did with Clio in 2023.

Do not start with a rhetorical question:

Just don’t. Everyone tries it. It doesn’t work, partly because everyone tries it so it’s become a an ad cliche. The real reason to not use rhetorical questions in an ad is because it is easy for the listener to answer “no,” and tune out the rest of your message.

A common rhetorical question goes along the lines of, “Do you ever have problems like my product solves?” Starting there means the whole script is going to be self-oriented rather than client-oriented. All clients and prospects are thinking much more about themselves than you, our lovely sponsor. You will get a lot closer to them if you start with a strong and maybe even startling fact or a point of relevance for your client.

Rhetorical questions also take up a remarkable amount of that 30 seconds you have in your ad. Don’t waste it; just get to the point.

Draw the listener in by focusing on THEIR goals rather than your own:

When GoDaddy came to us to promote their new affinity product for business lawyers, we had to take a minute to calibrate how domain name management was relevant to attorneys. If we hadn’t stopped to think about the listeners’ reaction, we would have just read the templated script that the corporate team sent over, listing tech benefits. That approach might appeal to technology enthusiasts, but could easily be deemed as unimportant by busy attorneys. We had to draw them into the logic and help them see how working with GoDaddy would benefit their clients.

The hosts at Above the Law’s Thinking Like a Lawyer, Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino, did a great job reflecting the listeners’ experience of wondering about the client’s connection to their jobs, and then cementing the relationship. We wrote it in a fast-paced style that suited Joe’s natural delivery, and invited Kathryn to pop in with another facet of the listeners’ reaction that was true to the dynamic fans of the show enjoy about them. GoDaddy on Above the Law’s Thinking Like a Lawyer, August 2022

Use action words:

Change passive tenses of words that end in -ing like ‘automating’ and ‘analyzing’ to verbs to propel the listener to action. Action verbs at the beginnings of sentences are stronger and more memorable, and take up fewer words in your ad.

Compare these two sentences:

“SuperTech.AI is the greatest tool for automating and analyzing your briefs, and helps you reduce time and effort.”

“Automate brief analysis easily with SuperTech.AI to save time.”

Take out clauses so your sentences can start strong. It is not strong when you say “If you’re ready to revolutionize your practice, then you can call us.” Instead, just start right at the meat: “Call us today to revolutionize your practice.”

Have a strong offer:

You probably work pretty closely with sales and know what deals and promos have the best return on investment. A 20% discount is fairly common and likely available from various vendors. When podcasting, because you have the permission to be in an intimate space with the listener, you’ll be most successful when you craft an offer that both reflects the benefit that niche audience cares about, and is distinctive enough for them to remember it quickly. The ideal client may actually respond to a secondary or experience offer more than the dollar and cents offer.

For example, the Apple Card caught my attention because I was actively looking for a new card and weighing several cashback offers. When they said I could get 3% back on most of my purchases without any games or fees, I was interested. The specific cashback percentage was one thing, but the idea that I wouldn’t have to play any silly games with buying categories is what actually motivated me to go find out more right away.

Think about the real experiences of your ideal buyer, what they care about in both the objective offer and the experience, remove what they’re annoyed by, and make it easy for them to say ‘yes’.

Say your name!

Repetition is a central concept in audio. Certainly you don’t want to go overboard, but because listener’s attention may pop in and out, you want to say your name between 3-6 times in the ad. Put yourself in the listeners’ earphones for a moment: they may have a lot going on in their immediate environment. They definitely also have a lot of other solutions they could use to solve the problem you also solve. If they have a functional practice management system and you sell a practice management solution, they might hear “…practice management system…” and think “oh, yep, I’ve got one of those!” and get back to what they were already thinking about.

Your job as the sponsor is to break through some of that clutter to differentiate your product. Your name is a great way to do that. Introduce yourself each time like you might at a cocktail party. You should try to get it into the first sentence. It will certainly be in your web address at the end. Get it in at least one or two more times in the body as well.

Lee Rawles, Host of Modern Law Library and Talk Justice, starts off right away with the name for Civille and then provides context. She reinforces the name a few times throughout, which is doubly important for a client with a homonym. In this case, we opted to spell out the client’s name at the end as an additional nod. Civille, May 2024

Have a clear destination for listeners:

Have a URL that can both be spoken clearly and HEARD clearly. We had a sponsor with a web address that had several soft vowels that when spoken became a homonym for a completely different type of product. Others had a URL with dashes or wanted us to say a web address with multiple slashes. Names derived from another language or need to be spelled all create a delay in understanding, which reduces the listeners’ ability to respond quickly to your offer.

In audio, we don’t have the benefit of also seeing the words to validate the way they sounds. If you need to get another domain that sounds simpler, it could be a very valuable $17 investment in the success of your campaign. Then point that friendly address to your more complex-sounding UTM or landing page. Stafi, a legal staffing agency originally wanted to include a URL with a name that wasn’t their name and sounded actually like a direct competitor’s name. We encouraged them to use their alternate URL and then re-direct it to the page they wanted people to land on. Here is Christopher Anderson on Un-Billable Hour for Stafi, April 2024:

Make the most of your host’s personality in your scripts!

Leave room in the script for the host to be authentic to their style:

New Solo’s long-time host Adriana Linaras brought her energy and emotive style to talk in an authentic way about Clio’s findings in their Legal Trends Report. Her delivery is bright and genuine and reflects the experience of Clio’s target audience.

If the client had insisted on an exact replica of the script as approved by the legal department, they would not have gotten the benefit of Adriana’s personality and would have been less effective at drawing in the listener. Giving the host a little latitude on the language and delivery enhances your investment. Clio on New Solo, June 2023

Differentiate your message to work to the host’s strengths:

CosmoLex, a ProfitSolv Company, wanted to be on both Legal Toolkit with Jared Correia, and on Un-Billable Hour with Christopher Anderson. We wanted to communicate the same brand messaging and benefits to listeners, but they have completely different personalities. One script wasn’t going to work for both.

We used the same basic structure prioritizing the simplicity of CosmoLex and included all the appropriate branding, but let Jared have more fun with a sarcastic side comment about not leaking money. Christopher’s script was a straighter delivery emphasizing the business efficiency of the product because that’s aligned with what listeners are seeking from his show.

Interact with the host about your product:

It is important for your host to know your product. We always ask our hosts about the sponsor before the sponsor signs just in case they aren’t familiar or have a past experience. I’ve had several sponsors do a demo of a new product with a host.

Often our hosts are very savvy in the legal tech space so they’re already familiar, but a few have been able to get some more depth from that interaction with the product.

Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam, hosts of Lunch Hour Legal Marketing recorded an about Lawmatics, a company they know so well that Gyi shares with the audience he also invests in the company, in June 2023

We do not, however, endorse products. Legal is a very small space and you wouldn’t want to be the un-endorsed technology in a show’s line-up, so we won’t create that situation for any of our potential sponsors. Our sponsorships, unless otherwise noted, are not exclusive so you could be next to a close competitor. See above about differentiating your product and having a good offer to make the most of your space.

Structure your whole year of messaging

When we book new sponsors, a year feels like a long time. That year allows the core audience to get familiar with the solutions you provide or benefits of your service, and it allows you to touch those listeners who are new or are trying the show.

You want use the whole year though to share different facets of your service. We can map out three different versions of your ads, record them all together so they have a cohesive sound, and then rotate them monthly or every six weeks.

Other sponsors will go with a seasonal strategy as in “We always sell more test prep services in the three months leading up to the Bar exam” so the ads promoting that service will be scheduled for November – January to pick up February testers, and April – June for the July testers.

Reach out and we’ll plan your campaign together

I’d love to talk with you more about how sponsoring a Legal Talk Network podcast could help you connect very efficiently with your legal buyer.

Let’s chat! Feel free to find a time on my calendar that suits your schedule or email me at lkirkman@legaltalknetwork.com.

The demanding work hours and challenging court cases that lawyers deal with can make them particularly vulnerable to substance use, both legal and illegal. As a result, there’s an increasing number of legal professionals turning to alcohol, creating an ongoing concern for the legal community.

Alcohol Abuse: Exploring the Alarming Statistics

According to a recent study by the ABA Commission on Lawyer Assistance Programs and the Hazelden Betty Ford Foundation, almost 21% of lawyers and other legal professionals were identified as problem drinkers.

• When asked more detailed questions, this percentage increased to over 36%, indicating that more than a third of attorneys are dealing with alcohol abuse.
• Almost half of the attorneys in the study indicated that their drinking problems started within 15 years in the industry, including their time in law school.

American Addiction Centers says the issue of substance abuse among legal professionals can be directly linked to many of the same emotions associated with depression.

• More than 45% of lawyers experience depression during their careers.
• Of these individuals, almost 12% have reported suicidal thoughts.

No matter how you analyze it, this data is highly alarming and illustrates an unsustainable professional culture that is harming too many people. Attorney impairment poses risks to the affected individuals as well as to our communities, government, economy, and society.

It’s clear that the stakes are too high for us to remain inactive.

The Toll It Takes: Litigation, Substance Abuse, And (Maybe) You

It can be difficult for those who have struggled with drinking problems to relive old memories and share the causes and effects of the addiction, but there are several courageous and resilient lawyers who kindly talk about their past in hopes that their stories will shed a light on the matter and help others.

Jason Ward, a retired litigation attorney, joined Litigation Radio host Dave Scriven-Young, a commercial and environmental litigator at Pecker & Abramson, to discuss the impact of alcohol abuse and discuss his journey last summer.  

As Ward’s professional career was booming, he began struggling with his mental well-being and substance abuse. He says he placed constant stress on himself, which led to substance abuse problems. He soon realized his drinking was taking over. At its peak, the abuse damaged both Ward’s professional and family relationships.

When he stopped drinking, he moved on to THC to cope with the behavior that his drinking had altered. Ultimately, he was forced to take control of his health by retiring from litigation and seeking professional help. Today, Ward is sober. He is thriving as the co-owner of a full-service firm in Canada, proving that you can overcome your addiction(s) and build a beautiful life.

Listen to Ward’s brutally honest and important story:

Dedicating one’s life to their legal practice and clients can be noble, but legal professionals need to prioritize their habits and health so that they don’t lose sight of themselves while practicing.

How Excess Drinking Can Negatively Impact Your Legal Career

Working in a high-stress environment can be challenging enough, let alone when one is actively drinking or hungover.

Dallas-based attorney and mental health advocate Brian Cuban recalls how he mentally tried to justify his struggle with substance abuse, even though he could feel his performance slipping more than a decade ago.

He refers to this process as the “Peter Principle of Addiction,” providing a fascinating example:

“Let’s say you’re billing. When you’re running on all cylinders, you’re sober, you’re giving $1.10 for a dollar. You’re just killing it.

All of a sudden, drinking starts creeping in and it’s 90¢ for a dollar. All of a sudden, it’s 80¢ for a dollar. Suddenly, you’re giving 60¢, then 50¢.

What happens is we work up to our level of incompetence, and then we’re supposed to, when we hit that level, absorb information, get that information and work higher. That’s how we advance in organizations.

But what happens is with addiction, that line of incompetence keeps dropping and getting lower to the floor.  

And instead of saying, ‘Maybe I have a problem,’ we kneel under it. So we could tell ourselves, we’re still giving that dollar for a dollar and everything’s great.”

Fortunately, Brian got the help he needed and leaned on his loved ones as he was going through the rough patch.

“If it weren’t for my family supporting me, I’d have been on the street. I’d have been homeless,” he told Lawyerist Podcast.

Lawyerist Podcast

#469: Lawyers in Crisis: Navigating Addiction and Mental Health, with Brian Cuban

Brian has been sober since 2007 and now documents his journey on his YouTube channel.

If You or Someone You Know Is Abusing Alcohol, Help Is Available

If you are struggling with substance abuse or seeking resources to help a colleague, please visit the following links for further information:

• Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA)
• National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism
• NIAAA Alcohol Treatment Navigator

Hear Stories from Lawyers Who Overcame Struggles & Get Tips from Health Professionals on Legal Talk Network

Substance abuse is only one issue that legal professionals have to deal with. The practice of law can lead to its own version of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Lawyers need to take care of themselves while knowing that support is available and that they are not alone.

On Legal Talk Network, we aim to tell the stories of legal professionals who have found the light at the end of the tunnel after being faced with dark times or health crises. We also make a concerted effort to discuss resources and programs to aid with recovery. 

Below are some of our recommended episodes:   

In 2022, the world was captivated by Johnny Depp’s defamation case. One of the individuals who stood out during this trial was Camille Vasquez, a trial lawyer who recently joined Sheppard, Mullin, Richter & Hampton LLP’s Business Trial practice group. As one of the lead attorneys in the Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard trial, Vasquez made headlines for her shark-like performance, particularly in the cross-examination of Amber Heard.

Vasquez opens up about her role in Depp’s defamation trial and her incredible story of becoming a lawyer in a recent interview recorded live in Dallas, Texas, on the State Bar of Texas Podcast, hosted by Rocky Dhir.

Her Legal Journey

Camille Vasquez was born in San Francisco to Latino immigrants. Her mother is from Cuba, and her father is from Colombia. She credits her success to them and their role in her professional career. From an early age, they encouraged her to become either a lawyer or a doctor, but it was their belief in her that made her feel she could accomplish anything she put her mind to.

After achieving magna cum laude honors at the University of Southern California, where she pursued a dual major in political science and communications, Vasquez furthered her education by obtaining a Juris Doctor from Southwestern Law School. Although her legal journey began in insurance law and progressed to in-house employment law, she ultimately found her niche in litigation and arbitration, where she specialized in advocating for plaintiffs in defamation cases. Her talent and expertise were recognized when she was hand-picked to join a partner going to Brown Rudnick LLP. It was Ben Chew.

“I love being in court. It’s my favorite thing to do. I’m just a lucky person that gets to do what I love to do for a living.”

Vasquez worked with Johnny Depp for about five years before the Depp v. Heard Case, when she helped represent him against his former attorney and business manager. She then represented Depp in his defamation suit against his ex-wife, Amber Heard.

The Depp v. Heard Case

In the Johnny Depp case, Vasquez indicated that the case was never about money damages but rather his reputation – “all anyone has is their name, so my goal was to give Johnny’s back to him.” As a result, extensive preparation went into the trial, including thousands of hours and 80 depositions spanning more than nine months.

“There’s no substitute for hard work, and every trial lawyer knows that you have to be the most prepared person in the room.”

When Johnny Depp first mentioned bringing a lawsuit against Heard, Vasquez was not a big proponent of the idea, especially since Depp is a very private person. However, when she mentioned this to Depp, “[Johnny Depp] asked me if I had ever been accused of something that I had not done myself. And I thought about that for a second, and I said to him, ‘No, I don’t think I have.’ And he said, ‘Talk to me once you have, kid.'”

According to Vanderbilt University Law School, Vasquez, and Ben Chew then made an early decision in the case that Vasquez would go after Heard while Chew defended Depp. According to Vasquez, a man referring to Heard as a liar about sexual abuse could potentially result in public backlash and asserted that a strategy where they had to both defend and attack would not be effective.

The Star of the Show

The defamation case attracted millions of viewers worldwide and resulted in an explosion of social media posts, podcast commentaries, and video reactions. In fact, the hashtag #JohnnyDepp was used over 1 million times on TikTok alone. While clips of Heard and Depp circulated like wildfire, one couldn’t help but notice how many clips, memes, and threads there were about Camille Vasquez. She captivated viewers with her sharp legal style and successful cross-examination of witnesses, including Amber Heard herself. Vasquez even called out Heard of faking her bruises and lying about her statements and other witnesses.

“Lawyers are storytellers. How you weave the story through your questions is the art of cross-examination.”

One of the more memorable moments of the trial was when Heard avoided answering Vasquez’s questions and instead faced the jury to talk to them. Vasquez called Heard out for this behavior by saying, “Miss Heard, there is no question pending. And I would appreciate it if you wouldn’t be making an argument to the jury.”

Vasquez gained worldwide attention through her performance during the trial. The public viewed her not only as a successful woman and lawyer but also as an inspirational Latina role model who demonstrated her remarkable abilities and received recognition for them.

Learn More About Other Amazing Lawyers When You Listen to Legal Talk Network’s Interviews

With her outstanding performance during the Depp v. Heard trial, there is no question as to why Camille Vasquez is one of the most wanted and sought-after attorneys today. Learn about other exceptional legal talent from around the world by listening to Legal Talk Network’s collection of podcasts.

The most recent Supreme Court term was marked by a sustained challenge to the authority of administrative agencies, significant victories for former President Donald J. Trump, and conflicting signals on issues related to firearms and abortion, leading to a series of impactful decisions. Here are some of the most buzzworthy decisions and their far-reaching effects.

Presidential Immunity

In Trump v. United States, the Supreme Court ruled that former President Donald J. Trump is partially immune from prosecution on charges related to allegedly plotting to overthrow the 2020 election. The justices remanded the case to the lower courts for further analysis, indicating that the president may be prosecuted for private conduct but not for official acts.

This decision is a significant declaration about the extent of presidential power. Its immediate effect will make the case against Trump for election subversion even more complex. Moreover, the likelihood of it going to trial before the election is increasingly slim, and at the very least, the charges against him are likely to be reduced.

“This will go down in history reading as a 6-3 opinion, but it was actually 5-4 because Justice Amy Coney Barrett actually did set out one of the key arguments, which is that you can’t criminally prosecute over official versus unofficial acts,” said Joe Patrice, an editor of Above the Law and co-host of Thinking Like a Lawyer.

“The five-justice majority went so far as to say that if the president were to do some unofficial criminal act, the prosecutors would not be allowed to use any evidence that’s connected with the President’s formal duties,” he continued. “If you, for instance, assassinated somebody, maybe that’s not legal, but all your communications with the Department of Defense about doing that would not be able to come before a jury.”

Chevron Deference

On June 28, 2024, the court issued a 6-3 ruling that reduced the authority of federal agencies. This decision overturned a fundamental 1984 precedent known as Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense Council. The Chevron ruling mandated that courts defer to agencies’ reasonable interpretations of unclear statutes.

In recent years, the Chevron ruling has been losing support at the Supreme Court, with several justices attacking it. The court has used Chevron at least 70 times to decide cases but has not done so since 2016. Consequently, the latest Supreme Court ruling could impact various regulations regarding the environment, government benefit programs, healthcare, consumer safety, nuclear energy, and guns. It also moves power from the agencies to judges and Congress.

Purdue Pharma & Sackler Family

In the case Harrington v. Purdue Pharma, the Supreme Court ruled that the Sackler family members could not be protected from civil lawsuits over their involvement in the opioid crisis as part of a bankruptcy settlement. This case is significant as it is the first time the Supreme Court has decided whether a bankruptcy plan could be designed to grant civil legal immunity to a third party without the agreement of all potential claimants. This legal tactic has become increasingly popular in bankruptcy settlements.

In “The Merits of Being a Little Reckless: How an Arts Lawyer Took on The Sackler Family,” Michael Quinn, a partner at Eisenberg & Baum, LLP, discusses his experiences representing clients in the fight against the Sackler family and Purdue Pharma.

His interest in the case was sparked when one of his trusted clients brought the Sackler family to his attention.

“I represented an artist named Nan Golden who, in 2018, after overcoming opioid dependency issue, read an article in The New Yorker by Patrick Radden Keefe about the family behind the Purdue Pharma opioid empire,” Quinn said. “Their names are plastered above every museum doorway throughout the world, and she thought, ‘How do I get the world to know that these people that we hold in such high esteem in the arts and cultural and education world are actually behind the opioid crisis?’”

Culley v. Marshall & Civil Forfeiture

In Culley v. Marshall, the Supreme Court ruled that the Due Process Clause requires a timely forfeiture hearing but does not require a separate preliminary hearing in civil forfeiture cases involving personal property.

In the case, two women had lent their cars to others, who were later arrested for drug offenses. The vehicles were then seized under an Alabama civil forfeiture law. The petitioners argued that their 14th Amendment rights had been violated due to the absence of a preliminary hearing.

In the Supreme Court decision, Justice Kavanagh stated, “In civil forfeiture cases, the Due Process Clause requires a timely forfeiture hearing, but does not require a separate preliminary hearing.”

To gain a better understanding of the issues discussed in Culley v. Marshall and the potential impact of this ruling, listen to “Civil Forfeiture in Culley V. Marshall.” In this episode, Lawyer 2 Lawyer host J. Craig Williams is joined by Attorney Kirby Thomas West from the Institute for Justice to get the full story.

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To stay up-do-date on other Supreme Court rulings, add Legal Talk Network’s library of shows to your playlist on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. The shows Lawyer 2 Lawyer and Thinking Like a Lawyer are particularly keen on investigating the Supreme Court and informing you of the latest cases.

The legal industry has undergone significant changes in recent years, rendering previously efficient traditional operational practices a disadvantage. With rapid technological advancements, it is crucial to prioritize innovation and technology trends in law firms, especially if you want your office and legal practice to continue to grow and thrive. Here are three of these emerging trends in legal tech and what they can mean for your office.

Remote Work Continues to Thrive

In recent years, many firms have adopted a “just make it happen” attitude toward virtual meetings, mobility, and remote work. This has enabled law firms to reevaluate the tools and training necessary for legal professionals to utilize technology effectively, improving upon the traditional in-office setup. When executed correctly, this approach can yield long-lasting benefits for the firm. Implementing a remote work policy can help firms access a global talent pool, reduce operational costs, and create a better work-life balance for their staff.

In a recent episode of Legal Toolkit, Rob Joyner, Senior Vice President of Business Development at Centerbase, and Jared D. Correia, Esq., CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, discuss the debate between remote and in-office work, as well as the latest advancements in AI and other essential legal technology.

During the episode, the duo explains why people can generally be more productive in their home setup, mainly when supported by web conferencing platforms, such as Slack and Zoom, compared to stuffy office cubicles. They also touch upon the fact that the transition to remote work after the pandemic was more feasible than many had anticipated.

However, now, in 2024, some law firm owners are requiring their attorneys, staff, and administrators to return to the office full-time without conducting any research or asking for employee feedback when making these decisions. In fact, law.com reports that “2023 saw several elite law firms move to require four days in the office.” Unfortunately, this could have negative consequences for the firm. Jared goes on to explain how this shift could create challenges for firms in the future and highlights the numerous benefits of maintaining a remote work setup. “You can create a competitive advantage for your law firm by offering more flexibility and more opportunities to work from home, especially for younger employees who value flexibility and who don’t treat their jobs as sacrosanct.”

For further details about the benefits of remote work and what it can mean for your law firm, play the episode below.

Making Smarter Technology Purchases

Today, more than ever, there is a temptation to immediately purchase all the new, ever-evolving technology. However, buying the shiny new tech may not be the best decision for your law firm. If you struggle with restraint in these tech purchases, the episode “Dealing with the Shiny Tech Object Syndrome” from Kennedy-Mighell Report is here to help.

In the podcast, Dennis Kennedy, an award-winning leader in applying technological and web-based resources to law practices, and Tom Mighell, published author, noted legal technologist, and senior consultant for Contoural, Inc., discuss how to make smarter technology purposes by learning how to assess your true technology needs and allocate your tech budget. They also answer the question, “What under-used tech could bring more productivity to your legal practice?”

If you want to learn how to make smarter technology purposes, listen to the following episode.

Automation

Over the past few years, the rise in artificial intelligence has skyrocketed in nearly every industry. While the legal industry has slowly started to embrace this technology, its delayed rollout among firms has partially been thanks to the hesitancy to upload confidential information onto AI machine learning chatbots like ChatGPT and Google Gemini (formerly Bard). 

The use of AI becomes even more complicated when there are issues. Just like humans, AI models can make factual mistakes and use bodies of work from professionals as a foundation for their responses without proper citation.

Graham H. Ryan, a partner in the Litigation Practice Group at Jones Walker LLP, recently gave an overview of artificial intelligence and discussed his predictions for future trends on Litigation Radio.   

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Law firms are increasingly using technology to improve efficiency, maximize profits, and enhance client satisfaction. If you want to gain similar benefits for your firm or learn more about these emerging trends, explore Legal Talk Network’s library of shows for additional podcasts about the latest legal technology trends and how to integrate them into your firm.

The podcast, which debuts today and will continue to release in monthly increments, is a historical retelling of the most fascinating trials of all time, featuring narration from a team of voice actors and legal insights from Williams. The pilot episode is all about the Salem Witch Trials. Future episodes dive into the trials of OJ Simpson, the Chicago Black Sox, and McMartin Preschool, among others.

J. Craig Williams reflected on this project, explained what people can expect, and revisited the history of audio storytelling amid the release.

Note: This interview has been edited for length.

1. What criteria went into selecting the ten trials featured in your podcast and book?

My first Kaplan Publishing book, How to Get Sued, was very successful. Kaplan liked my somewhat sarcastic style of writing, and asked me to write this second book, at the time code named in-house as Bad Decisions? 10 Famous Trials That Changed History. I joined forces with Susan Barry, who was a publisher there at the time, to pick the ten trials that we thought would most interest legal readers together.

I then asked Erwin Chemerinsky, now Dean of the UC Berkeley School of Law to write the Foreword. Kaplan and I went through several rounds of chapter editing, but with new leadership hired right before my initial publishing date, Kaplan decided to abandon their trade book division and focus efforts instead on their law and medical prep classes. They were nice enough to let me keep the advance and release their rights to my book. But I was so disappointed that I put the book aside and almost forgot about it.

Years later, Crimson Cloak Publishing, volunteered to publish my next book as well – not knowing that I had one at the ready, CCP was the house that published my and my wife’s second book, The Sled (an illustrated Christmas story where my grandchildren are the characters). I dusted off Bad Decisions? and sent it to them. They asked to publish it.

Now it’s gone through another five rounds of editing and it is much better for it, including a change to the in-house name. My wife suggested the more positive top name, How Would You Decide? and viola’.

2. What’s one story that surprised you or caught you off-guard when researching these trials?

The Salem Witch Trials.  I was surprised to remember that the witches were all hung, not burned as they were in Europe during the Inquisition and in movies. I was even more surprised to learn that a wizard (an allegedly ‘fallen’ Baptist – not Puritan – minister) was hanged as well. Those fanciful Halloween myths took over my reality for a moment when I started my research and I pictured witches burned at the stake. I was also surprised to learn that the witch frenzy resulted in the first and only death in the United States from stoning – pressing an accused wizard beneath a pile of stone.

In Dispute: 10 Famous Trials That Changed History

Salem Witch Trials: How The Hysteria Went Terribly Awry

3. If someone had time to listen to only one episode or read one chapter, which one would you recommend?

Either the McMartin Preschool Trial in Los Angeles or the Lindy “the-dingo-ate-my-baby” Chamberlin trial in Australia. Both trials have direct parallels to the horrible Salem Witch Trials, but the Chamberlin trial also gives us a peek into Australia’s system, where we find that bureaucratic red tape hasn’t changed much in two hundred years, even in another country.

Both modern-day trials clearly show the mistreatment of our citizens that exists in the court system that we believe is better than it shows up to be in either of these cases. Unfortunately, the abuses of the defendants in these trials are both eye-opening and shocking.

4. When writing your chapters, what sort of details did you tend to emphasize to build the story arcs?

Trial procedure can be as boring as watching corn grow in summertime Iowa. Vibrant trial testimony and colorful news commentary, however, provide the driving force to liven up those boring courtroom procedures into legal drama worthy of a TV show. Dramatic testimony and pivotal rulings drove the story arc forward and allowed me to gently weave in my trial lawyer’s observations. The quoted news reports were so well-written that I was often awestruck reading them and had to include them in the book and podcast miniseries, Algonquin Table and Baltimore Sun reporter H.L. Mencken’s primary among them.

Frequently, small “lawyer’s tricks” have a big effect on the outcome and explain why the jury rendered its guilty or not guilty verdicts. Think back to “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” from the O.J. trial – a big trick. But if you’re not a lawyer, then the not-so-obvious lawyer’s tricks can easily slip by unnoticed. The book and podcast pull back that curtain and put the reader and listener squarely in the center of the courtroom to reveal the not-so-obvious reasons the case turned out the way it did.

I chose the key parts from each of these trials to show how those boring procedures, technical evidentiary objections like hearsay and those Constitutional claims based on our Bill of Rights, and the differences in the rulings from the various judges all came together to affect the outcome of the trial.

“The podcast miniseries and book each give a front-row seat to non-lawyers who didn’t have three years of law school professors, days of writing trying to pass bar exams, and forty years of trying cases in the trenches.“

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5. So many of the featured trials included laws or commonly accepted beliefs that are vastly outdated compared to today’s standards. What do you believe are the issues, laws, or legal practices most likely to change that tomorrow’s lawyers may need to prepare for?

Society’s pendulum of acceptable and unacceptable behavior swings wildly from generation to generation and ever more wildly across the centuries as we see when we compare the meetinghouse 1600s Salem witch trials to the worldwide, wall-to-wall broadcast of the 1980s O.J. Simpson trial.

But now society’s pendulum no longer swings in the twenty-first century.  It is split in half and its side-to-side motion is at a halt midswing – one side of our country is “woke” and the other side is “anti-woke.” Our laws are changing accordingly and the laws we select to enforce and ignore are becoming both much stricter and much looser, depending sometimes on your wealth and ability to afford high-end lawyers. Even then, no one eyewitness sees the same event alike. We each have perspectives that no longer overlap.

It is also becoming much harder to rely on precedent.  Overturning Roe v. Wade was perhaps the beginning of our slide into disregarding precedent to the point that lawyers can’t truly advise their clients about the state of the law. What used to be a “Yes you can” is now a “No you can’t” in too many cases to reliably predict how our Supreme Court will decide future cases and whether they will throw out established precedent.

And that infection of readily disregarding precedent has now spread to most of the next-level-down Circuit Courts of Appeal, too. It’s frighteningly starting to pop up with more regularity in our most basic of all courts, the federal district and state superior courts. Rogue judges are no longer rogue; their behavior is now “normalized” and commonplace and what ethics? Think upside-down flags.

For everyday lawyers, it is becoming ever harder to predict the path of the law, and recent political developments cast aside the rule-of-law like last week’s leftovers.

“There are two constants in the law: change and the supposed ‘slow and steady pace of the law.’ That pace is symbolized by the floor lamps lining the hallway leading to the actual court of the Supreme Court. They rest solidly on the backs of brass turtles.“

But also as one of my old law professors observed, the law itself is a seamless web. When you push one side of it, another side moves too but sometimes in unintended ways.

6. What was one trial that didn’t make the initial cut but that could be explored in a sequel or on a second season of the podcast? What about it makes it compelling to you?

There’s a partial list in the book Introduction of other famous trials I also wanted to cover:  Lizzie Borden, Sam Sheppard, the Menendez brothers, Charles Manson, and Patty Hearst, to name a few), treason (Aaron Burr), or other betrayal (the Rosenbergs). Religion (the trials of Joan of Arc and Sir Thomas Moore), discrimination (the Amistad and Brown v. Board of Education trials), and perhaps pivotal moments in history such as war crimes trials (the Nuremberg and Mai Lai trials) come to mind as well. And I’m happy to get suggestions.

7. If you could get lunch with anyone involved in the featured trials, dead or alive, who would you pick and why?

John Adams.  I want to know how he overcame the crushing financial losses to his law firm after he took on the unpopular defense of the eight British soldiers who shot the five colonists in what became known as the Boston Massacre. He lost more than half of his law firm clients after he defended the “redcoats” – and for six out of the eight soldiers, won acquittals. His actions were directly contrary to pre-Revolutionary war patriotic sentiment driven by his cousin, Samuel Adams – another famous Bostonian.

I also want to know what actions Adams took that landed him both the Vice Presidency and Presidency after that crippling financial blow. The Hollywood version of his life is (not surprisingly) starkly different from reality. I have no desire to go into politics, but I find his life particularly interesting because he went from top to bottom and to the top again as a lawyer; such a recovery is an admirable feat in itself no matter what profession.

8. Your other podcast, Lawyer 2 Lawyer, is approaching its 20-year anniversary. What has changed the most about the podcasting and/or “audio storytelling” medium over the years?

For the podcast, the biggest change is the number of hosts and guests.  We started out in 2005 with two hosts and two guests that left very little time in our 30-minute show for the guests to answer questions and even less time for both of us as hosts to ask questions. When my co-host Bob Ambrogi retired, I was thrilled to continue and have the opportunity of a full 30 minutes to ask questions and keep the interview on one track instead of four.

Now with one host and usually only one guest, our discussions tend to focus on substantive issues that dive deeper than what you’ve read in the papers or online. Our guests have the time to talk and develop their responses, and I occasionally ask a question that I think our listeners would ask, the ones not in the newspapers.

It’s been a fun transition and the response from our guests, our listeners, and our sponsors has been great; and I love the new format. Also of note, our twenty-year long tenure gives L2L Producer Kate Kenney Nutting – who started with me in 2005 – the “street cred” to draw top-quality guests. As just one example, our first June 2024 episode on Trump’s possible 34-felony sentencing featured an attorney-turned-law-professor who previously served as a prosecutor in Alvin Bragg’s position in the very same New York Attorney General business corruption division that prosecuted Trump, and he took time out late at night on his vacation in Spain to record the show.

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The History of Audio Storytelling

I’m not sure that audio storytelling has changed all that much over the years, although it lulled during the heyday of television and to some degree still suffers from that difference.  There are only so many variations you can have with “radio” and “podcasting” because that medium is in our ears alone, not our eyes and ears like it is with television or streaming video.

For my experience, I started out more than 50 years ago in ninth grade and earned a Third Class FCC broadcasting license to sit in front of a microphone “On the Air.”  In the 1970s when I started in radio, I was a disc jockey who introduced rock-and-roll songs, reported the news and weather along with our high school daily announcements, like what was for lunch in the cafeteria. When I got a job as a disc jockey at a commercial radio station while I was in college, I was still introducing songs, but I had advanced to reading the hog futures for local farmers instead of cafeteria menus for high schoolers.

Podcasting has changed all of that and it is drastically different from my first two radio jobs, but it remains niche-driven. You can still dial in and hear the hog futures and what’s for lunch at your local high school cafeteria.

In my dad’s time in the 1920s and 1930s, some 100 years ago, there was no television, streaming radio, and certainly not a smartphone in your hand. Radio was only AM radio waves (Amplitude Modulation, which describes a sine wave based on signal strength on a vertical axis), not even FM (Frequency Modulation, which describes a sine wave based on its speed compression on a horizontal axis).

In fact, I still have and listen to my grandmother’s brown-wood, stand-up piece of furniture radio that features a bright, lime-green one-inch tube on the front – it lights up brighter and becomes tighter when the dial finds the strongest signal from that station. It still works and I love the crackly static that comes with AM. 

At least I can claim I was also a cool FM disc jockey and not just an AM hack, the class distinctions of the day. Music saved radio and audio storytelling became pase’ once television came into being mid-century and took over the minds and hearts of viewers and even developed its own jargon – Prime Time TV.

Goodbye Radio and Hello Podcasting

Radio matured mid-century and had to fight for listeners against that new-fangled medium of black-and-white TV where you could actually see and hear the actors perform the dramas. Once color TV became mainstream, radio lost its throne in the house to the glowing brown furniture box and was relegated to the figurative back seat of the car.

To save itself, radio sponsorship paid for music, news, and talk shows. Radio advertising rates fell and TV rates skyrocketed. Radio mostly stayed in those three lanes until podcasting came along. Almost at once, though, podcasting freed up once again the creative storytelling of the early years of radio when the actors’ voices alone had to convey the drama of the story solely to the listener’s ears – “Look Ma, no hands!”

“To once again have the means to tell the stories of these famous and historically important trials via this In Dispute podcast gives listeners the freedom to hear and imagine for themselves the courtrooms, judges, witnesses, and lawyers engaged in these life-and-death battles. This way, podcast audio allows us to play the video in our minds.“

Listen to ‘In Dispute’ wherever you get your podcasts.

Revisit the most impactful trials of the past millennium and follow ‘In Dispute’ on Apple Podcasts and Spotify so you never miss an episode.

Pre-order the book here.

Despite this gap in traditional legal education, numerous published works are available today that can help lawyers excel in their profession, better understand the industry, and learn what it truly takes to be a lawyer.

“Dinners with Ruth: A Memoir on the Power of Friendships” by Nina Totenberg

Celebrated NPR correspondent Nina Totenberg shares an incredible memoir of her achievements, challenges, and life-affirming connections, including her nearly fifty-year friendship with Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The book “Dinners with Ruth: A Memoir on the Power of Friendships” is an exceptional true story of two women who broke down professional and legal barriers, paved the way for future generations, and transformed the workplace.

At the heart of the story is a special relationship between Ruth and Nina. They supported each other through personal joys, illnesses, loss, and widowhood. They shared a love for opera and shopping, recognizing that clothes were necessary for women in a male-dominated workplace. During Ruth’s last year, they had many small dinners, and Saturdays were “reserved for Ruth” in Nina’s house. The book is an incredibly moving story of joy, resilience, and the true meaning of friendship.

To hear more from Nina Totenberg, check out the following episode.

Buy the book from Amazon here.

“The #1 Lawyer” by James Patterson & Nancy Allen

James Patterson, known for his bestsellers in various genres, has always been intrigued by legal novels, crime thrillers, and courtroom dramas. Although he initially considered becoming an attorney, his career as an author took off.

In his most recent book, “The #1 Lawyer,” Patterson worked with co-author Nancy Allen to narrate the tale of Stafford Lee Penney, a criminal defense attorney based in Biloxi, Mississippi. Penney has a flawless record, having never lost a case. However, following his involvement in a high-profile murder trial concerning a mobster’s son, he finds himself accused of murdering his wife. Although the book is fiction, lawyers will appreciate the realistic courtroom depictions and likely relate to the main character’s struggle to find a true work-life balance.

Because Patterson works with co-authors, he is able to draw from their experiences to make his novels and stories as accurate as possible. For instance, Allen, who has worked as a prosecutor on over 30 jury trials in Missouri and has taught law at Missouri State University for 15 years, provided her firsthand experiences in “The #1 Lawyer,” ensuring its accuracy.

For more information about this new thriller and Patterson’s upcoming projects, check out the following episode.

Buy the book on Amazon here.

“One Damn Thing After Another: Memoirs of an Attorney General” by William Barr 

In the instant #1 New York Times Best Seller, “One Damn Thing After Another: Memoirs of an Attorney General,” the former attorney general, William Barr, provided a truthful account of his tenures serving two very different presidents, George H.W. Bush and Donald J. Trump.

In this candid novel, Barr provides insights into key events of the 1990s, including the Los Angeles riots, Pan Am 103, and Iran Contra. Three decades later, Barr faced relentless challenges, including Russiagate, the COVID-19 outbreak, civil unrest, impeachments, and fallout from the 2020 election. “One Damn Thing After Another” offers a vivid, forthright, and essential perspective on understanding the legacies of both Bush and Trump and shedding light on how both presidents viewed power and justice during critical moments of their presidencies.

If you want to hear more from William Barr, check out the following episode, where Rocky Dhir talks with him about his personal stories from his time as Attorney General and his thoughts on the country’s future.

Other Books You Need on Your Bookshelf

• “The Firm” by John Grisham
• “Waiting to Be Heard: A Memoir” by Amanda Knox
• “Be Fierce: Stop Harassment and Take Your Power Back” by Gretchen Carlson
• “The Handmaid’s Tale” by Margaret Atwood
• “Unhinged” by Omarosa Manigault Newman
• “Black Ops: The Life of a CIA Shadow Warrior” by Ric Prado

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Although the calendar celebration for Pride Month may only last four weeks, there is no expiration date for celebrating and honoring all of the brave trailblazers who have fought tirelessly to achieve equal justice and equal opportunity for all Americans. 

Lawyers, in particular, have played a critical role in solidifying and protecting rights, like in the landmark Bostock v. Clayton County case, where the Supreme Court affirmed sexual orientation and gender identity cannot be discriminated against in the workplace.

This year’s Pride Month commemoration is particularly monumental, as it marks the 55th anniversary of the Stonewall Riots, a series of pro-LGBTQ protests in response to the NYPD raiding a gay club in New York City, sparking a worldwide movement. 

There are several inspiring leaders in the legal industry who are using their platforms to advocate for equality and justice year-round. Get to know some of today’s leading voices.

Also, let us know who our podcasters should interview next by messaging us on LinkedIn, Facebook, X or Instagram.

1. Gavin Alexander

Gavin Alexander is a founding member of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court’s standing committee on lawyer well-being and serves as the director of wellness at Jackson Lewis P.C., overseeing well-being initiatives for more than 1,000 attorneys.

His advocacy for diversity, equity, inclusion (DEI) has been at the forefront of his committee involvement and contributed to his well-deserved placement on the LGBT Attorneys Under 40 list by the National LGBTQ+ Bar Association. 

Alexander discussed how mental health and wellbeing have been stigmatized in the legal profession and the shocking new research regarding lawyers’ health on ABA’s Section of Litigation’s podcast Litigation Radio. 

“I experienced very serious depression, and I kept not seeking care because I thought having any paper trail of receiving care would be damaging to me. And I didn’t seek care until it was too late and I attempted to end my own life while I was in practice,” Alexander recalled. “Since then, one of my soap boxes that I try to advocate on all the time is that we need to see more lawyers in senior positions in leadership positions, in these amazing roles like partners and law school deans and professors and judges talking about the struggles they’ve faced and how they’ve gotten through it.”

2. Jackie Gardina

“I think Elie [Mystal] described perfectly what I love about teaching the law, which is to really spark curiosity, to intrigue people, to want them to learn more and hopefully to recognize what needs to happen to move us towards that more perfect union that is promised in the preamble of the Constitution,” Gardina said on a recent episode of her podcast. 

Jackie opens up about her story and why she cares so much about constitutional rights in the 2022 pilot episode of Sidebar.

3. Ray Koenig III

Ray Koenig III currently serves as the first openly gay president of the Chicago Bar Association and strives to both recruit and retain diverse candidates into legal positions. 

“I was the first openly gay secretary ever, the second VP, first VP, and president. And there were, I’m quite certain, other individuals who identified as LGBTQ, but did not have the good fortune to live in the kind of world I live in where I can just be myself,” Koenig said last month on @theBar. 

Koenig has selected inclusion as this year’s theme and encourages those who are concerned about their own job security to recognize that adding more seats at the table doesn’t mean taking chairs away.

“When you throw diversity, equity inclusion out there, there’s a lot of folks that are currently in law firms and bar leadership that scares them because it’s a big topic and they feel threatened like, ‘Oh, you mean you’re going to get rid of me and replace me with somebody else?’ No, no, no, that’s not it. The pie is big enough for all of us.” 

Hear more about Koenig’s exciting goals for this year and how he prepared to throw out the first pitch at the Cubs game on May 21 in honor of the Chicago Bar Association’s 150th anniversary.

4. Michael Nava

You may recognize Michael Nava’s name from the covers of his acclaimed series of crime novels featuring a gay, Latino criminal defense lawyer called Henry Rios. Nava was awarded the Bill Whitehead Lifetime Achievement Award in LGBT literature in 2001 for his outstanding works. 

“I pursued both writing and law. They complimented each other because they often involve the same themes of marginalization, and just how people of color and LGBTQ people navigate a world in which they are not only a minority, but frequently the object of discrimination,” Nava shared with DeMario Thornton. 

Nava spent many years working as an attorney in California and retired from the law in July 2016.

In the interview below, Nava shares how he overcame discrimination and supported diversity in the legal world.

5. Alicia Aquino

Alicia Aquino, the CEO of Aquino Trial Services, is passionate about advocating for women, foster youth, and individuals who represent as LGBTQ+. As the co-chair of the ABA Women of Legal Tech Summit and Board Member of the Tom Homann LGBTQ Law Association Foundation, she’s able to build community and make the legal tech space more welcoming, particularly in California, where she resides. 

She sat down with the On The Road team to share her favorite tips for staying organized and managing trial documents, available here.

Being part of the solution & ensuring that your law firm is inclusive. 

In the words of Dr. Terrell Strayhorn, “There’s going to come a day where we will live in a world that’s perfect, and it’s beautiful and it’s wonderful, and all of us can feel free, safe, celebrated and seen. It doesn’t exist yet. And so until it exists, we still need time to talk about the challenges that LGBT folks face.” 

Strayhorn, named one of the country’s “Top Diversity Scholars” by Diverse Issues in Higher Education, offers strategies for cultivating a sense of belonging in a recent interview on Lawyerist Podcast. 

Don’t know where to start? Consider the following:

1. Post a letter on your firm or company’s website, celebrating diversity and acknowledging your awareness of pride.
2. Create a custom virtual background for video calls that shows your company’s support and encourage your employees to use it. Linked here are some free templates you can use!
3. Have an event in the workplace or invite a guest speaker who not only celebrates, but educates. 
4. Take your team to a pride celebration or offer paid time off for employees to select a gathering or meet-up that would be most meaningful to them.

Hear the full episode:

Exoneree, Zavion Johnson and others tell their fight for freedom stories in Season Two of Legal Talk Network’s For the Innocent Podcast. Real men and women spend decades in prison every year for crimes they didn’t commit. The 12-episode series will premiere on Legal Talk Network on April 11 with its first episode.

“No human endeavor is perfect. Even with the best intentions and technology, our criminal justice system still wrongfully accuses and convicts innocent people. It is important to share these stories so we can fix what needs to be fixed” said Laurence Colletti, Producer and Writer of For The Innocent Podcast.

For the Innocent episodes are grouped by topic featuring an exoneree telling their own story. Host Michael Semanchik skillfully simplifies case details in a narrative tone that is easy to understand and engages the audience.

Hear heartbreaking first-person accounts of exonerees Zavion Johnson, who was convicted of killing his 4-month old daughter and served 17 years in prison for a crime that should have been treated as a tragic loss of a baby; Angela Garcia, who was bullied into a false guilty plea of arson for a fire that killed her family; Guy Miles and Luis Vargas, who went to prison because eyewitnesses misidentified them; and Marilyn Mulero, who faced the death penalty because of poor legal advice from her attorney. 

Then legal and criminal experts help us understand and analyze what went wrong in these cases. Expert guests provide insights about our criminal justice system and how these convictions become a terrible reality. Season 2 legal experts include Justin Brooks, board member of The Innocence Center; Matthew Cooke, an Oscar nominated filmmaker; Scott Budnik, a Hollywood producer, Wayne Little, former LA Prosecutor; and David Rudolf, famed criminal defense attorney from Netflix’s documentary, ‘The Staircase.’

“I’m thrilled Legal Talk Network continued to help us tell the stories of those convicted wrongfully in Season 2,” said Michael Semanchik, Executive Director of The Innocence Center, and host of the podcast. “The stories of the men and women told in the podcast are some of the gravest miscarriages of justice.  It is imperative to learn from the past mistakes our criminal legal system has made.  Legal Talk Network has been a great partner in our mission to educate the public on the causes of wrongful convictions.”

Junk Science Episodes:

In the Junk Science series of episodes, For the Innocent Podcast delves into debunked forensic sciences that convict people wrongfully. As we look backwards in time, we examine how those sciences initially gained prominence only to lose it later. But many of those who were convicted by junk science still remain behind bars.

1. Zavion’s Story: Zavion Johnson spent 17 years in prison on a charge of Shaken Baby Syndrome, arrested on the day of his infant daughter’s funeral. 

2. Bite Mark Evidence: All the rage in the 1980’s, bite mark evidence was partially responsible for convicting Ted Bundy. There were inaccuracies from the beginning but it gained widespread institutional support, making it difficult to challenge these cases in court. 

3. Shaken Baby Syndrome: Faulty from the beginning, this theory was supported by a circular reasoning flaw. Even though prosecutors were trying to save children from abuse, they were also sending innocent and grieving parents to prison. It was not until home videos of children dying from short playground falls did the medical community begin to reverse its thinking.

4. Undoing the Damage: This episode wraps up the series focusing on the impact of debunked sciences and what has been learned in the criminal justice system.

In Season One of For the Innocent, former NFL football player Brian Banks and celebrated attorney Marty Tankleff, both exonerees, discuss their experiences of being falsely accused and how they were able to thrive following a wrongful conviction.

For the Innocent Podcast, produced by Legal Talk Network, is available now on all major podcast platforms, including Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Click here for Photos, Bios, and Media Resources about For the Innocent Podcast and Legal Talk Network.

About Legal Talk Network:

Legal Talk Network is a leading podcast network that covers a wide range of legal topics, including legal news, practice management, and career development. With a diverse roster of hosts and guests, the network is committed to advancing the legal profession by providing quality educational content and fostering a community of legal professionals who are passionate about improving the practice of law. For more information visit legaltalknetwork.com.

About The Innocence Center:

The Innocence Center is an independent non-profit law firm dedicated to freeing the innocent from prison, educating the public on the causes of wrongful conviction, and assisting freed clients as they reenter society. Launched in 2023, the Board and Staff have decades of innocence work under their belt, all having worked at the California Innocence Project as a staff or faculty member.  Collectively, the group has freed more than 40 people who have served 560+ years in prison for crimes they did not commit.  The team has been responsible for getting a dozen laws changed to prevent future injustices and make it easier to free the innocent.

About Clio:

Clio is transforming the legal experience for all by creating the world’s leading cloud-based technologies for law firms. Firms of all sizes and practice areas use Clio products—Clio Manage, Clio Grow, and Clio Draft—to manage firm operations, streamline billing and payments, automate legal documents, and improve client experiences. As a result, Clio is helping lawyers and their clients better connect throughout the legal process. 

Media assets available at: legaltalkenetwork.com/media

Media Contacts:

Lisa Kirkman
Director of Partnerships & Marketing, Legal Talk Network
lkirkman@legaltalknetwork.com

Michael Semanchik
Host, For the Innocent Podcast and Executive Director, The Innocence Center
mike@theinnocencecenter.org

Laurence Colletti
Producer and Writer, For the Innocent Podcast
lcolletti@legaltalknetwork.com

Additionally, customer experiences can be tailored to the people you want to serve. The huge variety in all areas of the law creates endless possibilities for crafting a unique experience that effectively serves your target clients. Here are four podcast episodes to help you understand the basics of customer relationship management (CRM) and explore ways other attorneys have created client experiences that align with the goals of their practice. 

Learn The Foundations of Good CRM

Many who have gone through the law school and endured the rigors of the bar exam are later surprised to find that they feel unprepared for the business and customer service side of legal practice. You’re not alone, and it’s never too late to learn more.

In the LHLM 101 series, Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam give listeners an entry-level understanding of essential law firm practices, and the guys focused one of these episodes entirely on CRM. With today’s technology, it’s easier than ever to provide an excellent client experience from intake all the way to the end of a matter. Gyi and Conrad explain the many ways of customizing CRM software to meet your needs. And, the good thing is, this software is affordable for any lawyer from solo practice to Big Law. Listen in to Lunch Hour Legal Marketing for more:

For more perspectives on foundational CRM, take a listen to Christopher Anderson and Pegeen Turner’s conversation at Clio Cloud Conference in October 2023. Pegeen, president of tech firm Legal Cloud Technology, digs into the concept of the client-centered law firm, reviewing simple intake, matter management, calendars, billing, and more. 

Create an Empathetic Client Experience

No matter the area of law, any and all firms can find ways to meaningfully connect with clients. Part of a good client experience is a mindfulness of the overarching path from beginning to end of a legal matter. What made your client reach out to you? What should their first contact with you look like? How can you best care for them along the way? These important questions can help you consider the experience your client needs. 

In a recent Lawyerist podcast, Kirk Simoneau, a trial attorney and owner at Red Sneaker Law, shared how a personal tragedy led him to enter the legal profession to help others in the midst of suffering. Host and Lawyerist Lab coach Sara Muender talks with Kirk about his passion for customizing client experiences in order to take individual perspectives and unique needs into account. Kirk highlights the fact that people in need of a lawyer are often in a very vulnerable state, and offering them a compassionate client experience can make all the difference as they navigate their legal matters. 

The client’s trauma started the moment their problem began, and Kirk points out—“…the client experience starts with the drunk driver who runs the red light. It starts with the boss who makes the inappropriate comment.” Lawyers need to take that trauma into account, even in the intake process. Listen to the full episode for more:

Serve Underrepresented Clients

There are large populations within our communities with unmet needs for legal services, frequently due to some type of barrier—language, economic, geographic, and more. Access to justice has long been problematic within our legal systems, but many attorneys are searching for ways to provide legal services to previously underserved people. 

The Spanish-speaking market is currently the fastest growing segment in the United States, but it still has little access to legal services in many areas. UnBillable Hour host Christopher Anderson recently chatted with Hugo Gomez, founder of the bilingual digital legal marketing firm Abogados Now, about strategies for gaining an understanding of other cultures and connecting with new clients. Hugo explains ways to leverage marketing and cultural commitment to help lawyers be aware of the needs of their community and provide legal services to a whole new segment of the population. Learn more in the podcast:

You Can Be Endlessly Creative With Your Client Experience

What type of experience do you want your clients to have? Across the board, we’ve seen that clients just want to be heard and understood. Find more creative ways to connect with clients by perusing the Legal Talk Network Practice Management Archive.

The Human Touch in Legal Marketing

Podcasts and video bring a refreshing human element to the often formal and intimidating world of law. By showcasing the faces and voices behind the legal expertise, law firms can bridge the gap between professional services and personal connection. Through conversational tones and visual cues, these mediums allow firms to present a relatable and approachable image, fostering trust and a deeper connection with their audience and potential clients.

Concise Communication

In a world where time is of the essence, podcasts and videos provide a concise and engaging means of communication. Legal concepts and information can be conveyed quickly and effectively, helping potential clients grasp complex topics. These mediums also allow law firms to cater to a broader audience’s preference for bite-sized, easily digestible content.

Connecting with Your Audience

Beyond legal expertise, clients want to connect with the people behind a brand. Podcasts and videos offer a window into the personalities, values, and ethos of a law firm, as well as allow legal professionals to connect with their audience on a more personal level. By putting a face and voice to your firm, clients can develop a sense of trust and familiarity – crucial elements in a field where the stakes are often high (and personal).

Time-Efficient Marketing

Lawyers are known for their demanding schedules. Podcasts and videos provide a time-efficient way to disseminate information without the need for lengthy written content. These media formats also save your clients time, since content can be consumed either while commuting, exercising, or during other activities – without disrupting their daily routines.

Establishing Thought Leadership

Becoming a thought leader in the legal industry requires more than traditional marketing efforts. Podcasts and videos provide an ideal platform for lawyers and law firms to share insights, discuss trends, provide expert commentary, and deliver valuable information to showcase their expertise and establish credibility within their niche. This not only attracts potential clients but also enhances the firm’s reputation within the legal community.

Authenticity in the Age of AI-Generated Content

In an era where AI tools and models can generate vast amounts of content, authenticity becomes essential in your marketing efforts. Podcasts and videos allow law firms to break through the noise and deliver authentic, unscripted content. Genuine conversations, spontaneous discussions, and the ability to react in real-time create a level of authenticity that resonates with audiences, setting law firms apart in a crowded digital landscape.

Enhancing SEO

In addition to their humanizing effects, podcasts and videos wield a subtle yet impactful influence on a law firm’s SEO efforts. Search engines increasingly prioritize multimedia content, and by incorporating podcasts and videos into your digital strategy, you can optimize your online presence. 

Moreover, sharing this engaging content across various platforms not only broadens your audience reach, but also contributes to backlinking and social signals, crucial factors that search engines consider when ranking websites. In an era where online presence is paramount, podcasts and videos emerge not only as a conduit for authentic communication, but as potent tools to ascend the ranks of digital visibility and reinforce a law firm’s standing in the competitive legal landscape.

Getting Started: Tips for Law Firms

1. Choose the Right Format: Decide whether podcasts, videos, or a combination of both best suits your firm’s communication style and audience preferences.
2. Content Planning: Outline topics, themes, and guest speakers to ensure that your content aligns with your firm’s goals and resonates with your target audience.
3. Quality Matters: Invest in good audio and video equipment to ensure a professional and polished presentation. High-quality production values reflect positively on your firm’s image.
4. Consistency is Key: Regularly publish episodes or videos to maintain audience engagement. Consistency builds a loyal following and keeps your firm top-of-mind.
5. Promote Across Channels: Leverage social media, email newsletters, and other marketing channels to promote your podcast or video content.

Conclusion: Authenticity in a Digital World

In the dynamic landscape of legal marketing, podcasts and videos emerge as powerful tools for law firms to connect with their clients on a more personal level. By embracing these mediums, law firms can convey expertise, build trust, and stand out in an era where authenticity holds unparalleled value. In the realm of legal marketing, the human touch is proving to be the most compelling element of all.

New Shows, New Perspectives

In 2023, Legal Talk Network proudly introduced two new shows: the Sidebar podcast and the California Innocence Project podcast. Sidebar engages legal experts in discussions about current challenges to individual constitutional and civil rights, while the California Innocence Project Podcast shares the compelling stories of innocent people convicted for crimes they didn’t commit, offering a powerful platform for their voices.

Revamp of the ABA Law Student Podcast

Our commitment to providing engaging and diverse content led to a revamp and relaunch of the ABA Law Student Podcast. Now featuring two Law Student Hosts and a Faculty Host, this fresh format brings diverse perspectives and interests to our listeners, creating engaging and informative content.

Farewell to Legal Tech Luminaries

After nearly 13 years and over 350 combined episodes, Legal Talk Network bid a fond farewell to three of our most cherished and longest-running hosts – Sharon Nelson, John Simek, and Jim Calloway. Their contributions to shows like Digital Detectives and The Digital Edge have left an indelible mark on the legal technology community. 

A Year of Insightful Content for Lawyers and Legal Professionals

Throughout the past year, we remained committed to delivering the best possible content to our audience. From delving into the transformative impact of artificial intelligence to covering the latest developments in legal news and entertainment, our goal has always been to provide lawyers and legal professionals with insightful discussions that keep them informed and connected. 

As we look towards 2024, Legal Talk Network remains steadfast in its commitment to being the leader in legal podcasting, dedicated to delivering content that not only reflects the evolving legal landscape but also empowers and enriches the professional journey of our listeners.

Looking Forward to 2024

As we reflect on the achievements of 2023, we eagerly anticipate what lies ahead in 2024.  Legal Talk Network is dedicated to continued growth and excellence, striving to deliver the best content possible to legal professionals and our listeners. Thank you for being part of our journey – here’s to a fantastic year ahead. Cheers to 2024!

Some of Our Top Episodes from 2023

Legal News & Entertainment

Law School and Young Lawyers

Legal Technology

Law Firm Marketing & Management

Prefer to Listen? Check out our list of podcasts below for valuable tips and insights.

Reflect on the Past Year

Before looking ahead, it’s essential to take a moment to reflect on the past year. Evaluate what worked well, identify areas for improvement, and celebrate achievements. Consider client feedback, case outcomes, marketing ROI and internal processes to gain insights that will inform your strategy for the upcoming year.

Set Clear Goals and Objectives

Establishing clear and achievable goals is essential to effective planning. Define both short-term and long-term objectives, keeping in mind the specific needs and aspirations of the firm and your practice. 

Goals could range from expanding client portfolios and enhancing service offerings to improving operational efficiency and increasing revenue. Having well-defined objectives will provide a roadmap for success and serve as a benchmark for measuring progress throughout the year.

Technology and Innovation Integration

In the digital age, staying technologically competitive is paramount. As a new year approaches, it is useful to evaluate your firm’s current technology infrastructure and identify opportunities for improvement. Consider adopting legal tech solutions, such as case management software or AI-driven legal research tools, that streamline workflows, enhance client communication, and improve overall efficiency.

Professional Development and Training

Investing in continuous learning and development for yourself and your team is important given the ever-changing nature of the legal field. Plan training sessions to stay up-to-date on the latest legal trends, changes in regulations, and advancements in technology. Additionally, engaging in ongoing development helps professionals to feel empowered with the skills they need to navigate the complexities of the legal profession.

Client Relationship Management

Building and maintaining strong client relationships is fundamental to the success of any practice. Regularly communicate with clients, seek feedback, and ensure that their needs are being met. Consider implementing client-centric initiatives, such as personalized legal services and educational resources. Strong client relationships not only foster loyalty but also lead to positive referrals and repeat business.

Enhance Cybersecurity Measures

The legal profession handles sensitive and confidential information, making cybersecurity a top priority. As the New Year approaches, it is good to conduct a thorough review of your firm’s current compliance protocols. Regularly assess and update cybersecurity measures to protect client and firm data. Train staff on best practices for data security, implement secure communication channels, and stay informed about the latest cybersecurity threats and solutions.

Marketing and Branding Strategy

As the New Year approaches, law firms should strategically plan and adjust their marketing strategies to stay ahead in a competitive landscape. Review and update your firm’s website, social media profiles, and other marketing materials – ensuring they reflect the latest information and resonate with the target audience. Identify areas for improvement, and consider implementing a content marketing plan, leveraging thought leadership, and participating in community events to enhance your firm’s visibility and credibility.

Financial Planning and Budgeting

Smart money management is key for a law firm’s lasting success. Make a thorough budget covering day-to-day costs, marketing, and staff pay. Keep a close eye on how well you’re doing financially, compare it to your goals, and tweak your plan as needed to keep the firm financially strong.

Charting the Course for Success

In conclusion, as legal professionals stand on the brink of a new year, the importance of strategic planning cannot be overstated. Reflection on the past year’s successes and challenges provides invaluable insights, serving as the foundation for setting clear and achievable goals.

As we embark on the journey into the New Year, let these considerations serve as a roadmap, steering legal professionals toward a year of growth, adaptability, and triumph in a dynamic legal landscape. For more tips and insights, don’t forget to explore our podcasts for a deeper dive into the topics that matter most. Here’s to a successful and fulfilling New Year!

How It’s Done: The Story Behind A Solo Practice 

Starting your own firm isn’t easy, but there’s nothing like hearing a success story to inspire you on your way. Michael Mendoza’s story of thoughtful planning and hard work could be a framework for any attorney hoping to strike out on their own. New Solo host Adriana Linares recently interviewed Michael, a family lawyer in Orlando, about what led him to found his own firm and the resources that helped him along the way.

Even as a law student, Michael knew he wanted to run his own firm, and he kept that goal in mind as he embarked on his career after law school. Eventually, the sudden and drastic changes resulting from the pandemic prompted him to pursue his dream and launch a solo family law practice. Adriana and Michael talk through how he organized his law firm, the process of finding his first clients, his approach to technology and practice management, and so much more. Learn more about his experience:

The Technology Piece

To function effectively in modern legal practice, you need the right technology as you launch your law firm. In a conversation on the UnBillable Hour, Christopher Anderson talked with legal tech expert Lydia Flocchini about the types of tech tools lawyers need to create efficient, profitable workflows. Lydia highlights essential solutions lawyers can use in different areas of their practice, from billing to matter management to administration and more.

Lydia also explains how technology can help you avoid burnout by alleviating the burden of time-consuming tasks and helping your firm run smoothly. For lawyers, the right technology can, Lydia says, “…help them find joy in their work and remember why they wanted to practice law…” Automation and easy tech free you up to do the things that make your practice worthwhile. Lydia and Christopher discuss how to provide a great client experience and ways to track and leverage data to continually improve your business. Listen to the full episode: 

Cybersecurity Is A Must

We’ve heard about it time and again, and you need to hear it too—no firm is too small to be the target of a cyber attack. Solid cybersecurity policies and procedures should always be part of the foundational elements of your law firm, and Digital Detectives hosts Sharon Nelson and John Simek have plenty to say on the subject. In a recent interview, they talked with Mike Maschke about 10 steps you can take to enhance law firm cybersecurity practices. You don’t want to become an unfortunate statistic, and you have an ethical responsibility to protect both law firm and client data. Learn how to establish secure habits from the ground up in the full episode:

Marketing Your New Firm

You’ve got your new law firm in the works, but how do you connect with your target audience to bring in those much-needed clients? With a killer marketing scheme, of course! Lunch Hour Legal Marketing hosts Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam are both highly experienced legal marketers, and they’ve got tons of content focused on helping lawyers hone their marketing strategies. It’s hard to pick just one episode from their podcast, but this is a great one to start with:

In this episode, Gyi and Conrad take a note from Goldilocks to identify the amount of time that is juuust right to spend on your marketing. And, within this ideal time expenditure, they emphasize the importance of infusing your own interests and creativity into everything you do. Your ads shouldn’t look like every other lawyers’ ads—meaning: don’t be the boring, gray-suited lawyer with a stack of leatherbound volumes on his desk. Take the time to inject your personality into the ways you present your firm to the world, and the clients you want will find their way to your door.

This episode also marks the start of their “Marketing Dream Team” segments, which each highlight ways a particular marketing role could serve your law firm. Find more “Dream Team” segments in other episodes here: Lunch Hour Legal Marketing Podcast. 

Expand Your Knowledge

Legal Talk Network has hundreds of hours of useful content about starting and running a practics. Explore our Practice Management Archive for more podcasts to help you grow your firm and strengthen your practice: Practice Management Podcasts

MONTEREY, CA — SideBar podcast on The Legal Talk Network welcomes Northeastern University Law Professor Wendy Parmet, the Faculty Director of the University’s Center for Health Policy and Law and author of Constitutional Contagion: Covid, the Courts and Public Health.

Professor Parmet visit marks the Sidebar podcast’s first anniversary on Legal Talk Network. “The Sidebar team has worked incredibly hard and covered a lot of ground in their first year,” said Legal Talk’s Director of Partnerships Lisa Kirkman. “Cohosts Law Dean Mitch Winick and Law Dean Jackie Gardina had a vision for tackling big ideas about Constitutional Rights in the context of today’s political issues, and they’ve brought their show along quickly, and deserve all the important guests they’ve been able to book. positive attention they’re getting from listeners.”

Cohost and Law Dean Jackie Gardina explained, “The COVID pandemic exposed weaknesses in our public health system and exposed the lack of trust in science and government. Professor Parmet is able to help us better understand the change in the Supreme Court’s interpretation of public health law that had the effect of overturning 100+ years of public protection by granting religious ideology priority over science.”

Listen to the full episode:

SideBar

When Religious Ideology and Public Health Collide – We All Lose! with Wendy Parmet

Law Dean Mitch Winick, cohost of SideBar, noted that “we can go back to 1905 in the US Supreme Court case of Jacobson v Massachusetts in which the Supreme Court upheld the government’s right to require vaccinations during a smallpox epidemic. This was the controlling law for over 100 years until recently. One of the questions being discussed in this episode of SideBar is whether the apparent religious ideology of the current Supreme Court is influencing their legal rulings when deciding between public health protection vs. individual religious beliefs.”

Professor Parmet is a leading scholar on how the courts have influenced public health in this country. She is a legal expert on health, disability and public health law and directs Northeastern University’s Center for Health Policy and Law. She also holds a joint appointment with the University’s School of Public Policy and Urban Affairs in recognition of her national leadership in interdisciplinary thinking and problem-solving on issues related to public health.

To listen to Professor Parmet’s SideBar episode with law deans Jackie Gardina and Mitch Winick, hear previous episodes, read our blog, learn about future guests, and to contact the co-hosts with ideas, comments, or questions, go to www.sidebarmedia.org.

Technology is no longer optional in the practice of law, but figuring out what solutions your firm needs can be a daunting task. Here are six podcast episodes that can help you leverage support and guidance on your tech journey, understand the latest tools, and propel your practice forward.

Find Someone to Help You Find the Right Tech Solutions

Many attorneys recoil at the thought of picking out new tech, but what if you didn’t have to do it alone? The reality is—you don’t have to. Many bar associations offer consulting for members on technology, ethics, starting a new business, and tools that can increase your efficiency and profits. Check out the April 2023 episode of New Solo, where a dynamic duo of practice management advisors, Adriana Linares and Catherine Sanders Reach, highlighted the many services and resources bar associations typically offer for free to their members.

What About Product Demos? 

If, however, you choose to research legal tech products on your own, scheduling a product demo could be another avenue for making your legal tech picks. Demos give you the chance to sit back and see the product in action while an expert guides you through its potential for meeting your law firm’s needs. Sounds great, right? Well, it certainly can be, but that doesn’t let you off the hook entirely. 

Legal Toolkit host Jared Correia recently welcomed Andreas Becker of Lawyaw in August 2023 to chat about the importance of doing your own research before even thinking about scheduling a demo. Why? Because if you aren’t prepared to ask meaningful questions throughout the process, you will most likely fail to truly nail down the problem you’d like to solve. 

Listen to this episode as Jared and Andreas discuss demos. As an added bonus, you’ll get Jared’s remarkably insightful monologue on the KPIs you should track to improve your business.

AI is the Tech Solution of the Future

Automation can do so much to lighten your workload when you have tasks that are repeated over and over. Creating automated workflows saves you time and money and makes your clients happier as well. You have an ethical responsibility to deliver legal services without undue delay, so business should be conducted efficiently.

If daily tasks are bogging you down, and you just can’t seem to get the growth you’re looking for in your firm, the June 2023 edition of The UnBillable Hour with Christopher Anderson and guest Sam Mollaei has plenty of nuggets of wisdom to offer you. Their discussion on Sam’s approach to creating scalable law firms highlighted several innovative uses for new tools and technologies. 

Because of our increasingly digital existence, data sets are larger than they’ve ever been, but AI can filter out the noise and zero in on the content you’re looking for in moments. Digital Detectives hosts Sharon Nelson and John Simek recently talked with Andy Wilson in their April 2023 episode about this very topic.

In regard to massive, messy data sets, Andy explains AI’s capabilities, “…algorithms will analyze and categorize conversations, identify patterns, even pinpoint relevant keywords and phrases. So, all that chaos of chatter is no longer chaotic and it’s easily discoverable.”

Here’s the full episode:

It’s Up to You to Keep Your Tech Current

If you’ve curated the perfect tech solutions for your practice, that’s great, but they won’t stay perfect forever. Lawyers need to create a schedule for maintaining and updating their technology to avoid potential pitfalls. Dennis and Tom of the Kennedy-Mighell Report are so invested in preventative maintenance that they’ve released two podcasts dealing with the how’s and why’s of keeping your technology current. 

Outdated tech poses problems not only for law firm efficiency, but also gives cause for both security and ethics concerns. These episodes discuss how to think differently about tech to understand the tools and processes for both the physical and digital upkeep of your technology. 

Keep Learning!

Legal Talk Network has hundreds of hours of content about Legal Technology, Security, and Practice Management. Explore our Legal Technology Archive for more shows to help you grow your firm and strengthen your practice: https://legaltalknetwork.com/podcast-category/legal-tech/

Developing a podcast is not as simple as the first idea that comes to mind. There are many steps to get a podcast that is valuable and engaging for the audience, and fulfills the goals you as the show owner have for it.

This is a general process we go through with new show production clients to develop a show that’s worthy of your time to make it and the listeners’ time to hear it.

Goal & Audience Definition:

Your team thinks through its goals, identifies audience, and comes up with a concept that would serve the audience. Those sound small, but they’re everything. All your later decisions will become clearer when you have the audience and goals within reach because you know what you want and what your audience wants from you.

• Focus on goals and audience only at this point: leave the details for later like show names, format, and the host. Those will fit your show vastly better once you know who you’re talking to.
• Word to the wise: your audience is NOT “everyone.” The narrower and tighter you can get about who will benefit from your subject matter, and why they are listening, the better and more relevant your show will be.
• Coming up with a goal for your show and a clear image of your listeners will become the basis of the promise you deliver on to your audience.
• Here’s another blog post on the talk I gave in March 2023 to the Chicago Bar Association’s members interested in developing a podcast. I point out the merits of defining the promise you’re making to your listeners, then focusing on and delivering to your niche audience.

Workshopping:

We would facilitate a workshop/discussion with your team from the responses above to talk through your responses and take a good hard look at:

• The show’s mechanics (ie., 2-hour long episodes or writing your own music or having 5 people on mic each episode is probably too much)
• How often you can reasonably record
• Refine the vision of your audience
• Explore and deepen your topics
• Discuss the merits of any hosts you may have in mind. We’ll ask things like:
• are they are good on the mic?
• Will they be embraced by the audience?
• Do they have any community or social media or publishing following we can build on?
• Will they be engaging with guests?
• When are they available?
• Workshopping means things you brought into the workshop will likely change so as we talk through it, so it’s important to not be overly-protective of ideas, and have the discipline to modify ideas to fit the new information we’ve uncovered.

Hosts:

Your team should identify one or two possible hosts. Hosts have the job of moving through the content so they have to be able to take direction and be reliable on multiple dimensions. They have to be strong enough and centered enough to push back on run-on guests when necessary, without being argumentative (unless that’s central to your format). They have to also be an ally for the listener.

When we did our Listener Survey in 2022 and asked why listeners listened to a podcast, they ranked the topic as the most important. They were interested, searched, and were motivated to listen.

When we asked listeners to rank the most important element in their favorite shows, they said the host was the most important. The podcast format is very intimate with listeners and the listener has a lot of choices. The listener is going to choose the host who both talks about the thing they’re interested in, and they feel the most affinity for and enjoy spending time with.

A smart person can talk about your topic. A credible and engaging host can keep listeners coming back for more of your show and help you fulfill your goals.

• We would invite your intended hosts for a sound check.
• If you intend to have two hosts, you’ll want a chemistry test on air between them. Listen to Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam on our Lunch Hour Legal Marketing podcast or Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino on Thinking Like a Lawyer for examples of good chemistry between hosts.
• We’ll identify any areas needed for additional training like mic technique, and talk with them about interviewing skills or refine their delivery.
• The specific guidance offered at this stage will depend on what they need as people and what the format of the show demands.

Topic Development:

From the discussion, your team would identify possible topics and outline guests to go with those if you want to bring in guests.

• If you want to end up with 12 episodes, recommend coming up with 30+ topic ideas to start with. 
• If you’ve thought of a topic, chances are high others who work in your field have also thought of it and written about it, so push on those ideas and see what new dimension you can add to the landscape or what new perspective you can bring to your specific audience.
• Be really critical in asking yourself “has this been done before?”
• Ideas are not so precious: you came up with these, so you can probably come up with some more. They also will get revised and modified so be flexible.

Test Episode:

Now that you have your topics and hosts, have thought deeply about your audience, we can move to creating a Test Episode:

• This is an 8-10 minute version of your intended format on a small scale topic with your hosts and a guest who is willing to play along. This usually doesn’t get aired.
• We’d help you write the script (intros, outtros, transitions, closing, etc.), record, edit, and listen to it all together to offer constructive feedback.
• Be prepared for the test to reveal some important holes and flaws. We’ve had these test episodes change the whole format and dynamic of a show once we put them together. 
• This test episode saves you money and heartache later. The idea of “we’ll try it and figure it out as we go along” is really expensive if your production isn’t meeting the goals you have for it.

Scheduling:

After agreeing on what to keep and what to change in the show, we map out a schedule for recording the slate of episodes:

• Topic sequence
• Guest booking
• Recording schedule
• Editing time
• Distribution dates
• Promotional calendar

Naming and Imaging:

Somewhere in there we’ve come up with a show name and will develop artwork and marketing materials. The marketing plan depends deeply on your goal and where to find your targeted audience.

Production:

Once we have a show we’re happy with and can sustain together, agree on a budget, we’ll help you schedule your guests, record the episodes and distribute.

Debriefing:

After they’re in the can, we should have a debrief/recap/planning session to decide where to go in the coming year based on what’s working. 

Take a look at our other consulting offerings: legaltalknetwork.com/consulting.

Legal Talk Network, the leading legal podcast network, announces the launch of a new format on the long-running “ABA Law Student Podcast,” produced in partnership with the American Bar Association’s Law Student Division since 2016. The first episode of the 2023-2024 season “Don’t Let Law School Crush Your Creativity” released Monday, September 18 on Legal Talk Network with three new hosts. The new format features two Law Student Hosts and a Faculty Host who will bring their varied interests to the listeners, and then discuss their findings in a recap.

“By reformatting the show to foster a true team dynamic, we aim to better serve our listeners by tapping into a broader perspective and developing a more consistent, long-term voice,” said “ABA Law Student Podcast” Producer Evan Dicharry. He conceived the new format and developed it with the Editorial team at ABA’s Law Student Division. 

“Our unique hosting model and approach to communicating with law students ensures we are providing the type of advice and inspiration that students will actually find helpful during their law school journey,” said Karen Perez-Garcia, Sr. Specialist Digital Content at ABA’s Early Career Strategy Group. “It’s exciting to be able to deliver this in podcasts because we know it’s more efficient for law students to fit the content in with their other commitments.”

Todd Berger, Professor of Law at Syracuse University School of Law has been a guest on Legal Talk Network podcasts over the years and will now serve as the Faculty Host of the Law Student Podcast. His role is to provide context to the discussions and interviews the Student Hosts research and bring back to the show. “It’s always great to work with talented students who bring intellect, creativity and diverse perspectives. Leah and Chay do just that, and we have a season of great episodes ahead.” 

Chay Rodriguez, in her third year of law school at Atlanta’s John Marshall School of Law, works full-time at a prominent entertainment company and attends law school part-time. As a mid-career student, she will bring a practical eye to the idealism that often attracts younger students to the discipline. “Before taking advantage of the opportunity to study the law,” Chay wrote in her application, “I assumed it was one-dimensional, like a hammer, used only one way. Now, I know it is more like a Swiss army knife, multi-dimensional, and I am fascinated by how attorneys and legal scholars interpret the law and use it to meet an end.”

Student Host Leah Haberman is a 3L at Columbia Law School planning to work in an area of public interest after graduation. “I’m excited to have the conversations on ABA Law Student Podcast that I wished we were having at law school!” Leah brought the first story for this season to explore how writing inside and outside of law school are markedly different. In her case, that difference was a frustrating realization because she identified personally as someone who wrote well.  

Leah invited Michelle Falkoff, Clinical Professor of Law and Director of Communication and Legal Reasoning Program at Northwestern to discuss how to balance that need to deliver in specific formats against the personal need to maintain a personal drive to feel creative. “I want my students to feel empowered by their writing,” said Professor Falkoff. “I want them to feel they are making conscious choices at every level of their writing so they can make their work beautiful.”

The Student Hosts were selected through an extensive audition process: 38 hopefuls sent in three-minute audio clips discussing a legal topic they were personally passionate about. After surviving the early cuts, all three went through a rigorous process to think strategically about the stories they wanted to bring to the audience, microphone training, and a chemistry test to make sure they not only worked well together but sounded good and energetic together. 

Upcoming episodes of the 2023-2024 season of “ABA Law Student Podcast” are planned to include discussion of unorthodox career options for lawyers, how to commit to your passions effectively without burning out, trends in legal practice, and changes in the industry. 

“I’m excited we’ve pulled together such a talented and engaged team with Leah, Chay, and Todd, and look forward to furthering and elevating the conversation with today’s law students,” said Dicharry.

About Legal Talk Network

Legal Talk Network is a leading podcast network that covers a wide range of legal topics, including legal news, practice management, and career development. With a diverse roster of hosts and guests, the network is committed to advancing the legal profession by providing quality educational content and fostering a community of legal professionals who are passionate about improving the practice of law. For more information visit legaltalknetwork.com.

About ABA Law Student Division

ABA Law Student Division is the largest professional student organization in the country with 43,000 members. The Editorial Board of the ABA Law Student Division oversees and writes content for Student Lawyer and the production of ABA Law Student Podcast.

Using AI strategically at your law firm can be a time, error, and resource saver. AI is an effective way to save non-billable hours and help legal professionals do their jobs better. And it can’t replace you: AI lacks the human elements of great attorneys, such as empathy, an ethical code, and an understanding of the human experience. Using AI tools for lawyers is essential to get ahead. Embrace what AI can (and can’t do) for your legal team.

5 Things Artificial Intelligence CAN Do for Legal Pros

• Simplify Contract Creation

Nearly 10% of an average litigator’s day is spent reformatting documents. One of the best and most widespread use cases for AI in legal is contract creation. Now with an AI prompt, you can create a contract or other legal document with your parameters included, formatted how you’d like.

• Keeps Client Informed

Client communication is tied to client satisfaction, so small changes to how you share information with your clients make a positive impact. AI can’t help you build interpersonal skills, but it can help you send updates to clients. 

Prompt an AI tool to search your documents and create a case or complaint summary and send it to clients. Certain platforms offer AI generation as part of a larger workflow to send automated emails and reminders to clients. Happy clients mean more repeat business and good referrals for your firm.

In the April 27, 2023 episode of Legal Toolkit, “The Perfect Intake Form,” Jared Correia’s guest Patrick Carver talks about what firms often do with client’s intake data, dump it into a spreadsheet. This would be a great time to have AI scanning datasets like that for where leads came from and what clients and potential clients are asking for, and then turn it into improved collections:

Legal Toolkit

The Perfect Intake Form; Turning Data Collection on Leads into Profits; and “What Would Georgia Man Do?”

• Draft Motions and Briefs

A study by Bloomberg Law found that 84% of litigators rank drafting motions and briefs as their most time-consuming task. With an AI document generator tool, you can enter a prompt with your specific requirements and let artificial intelligence create a usable motion or brief that you can then edit and use.

Because most motions follow a similar format, you can create a reusable template, instead of starting from scratch with each new case.

• Cut Down on Discovery Time

Sifting through discovery is a big undertaking, with most cases taking at least several months to complete. The need to respond quickly to discovery requests promptly adds even more pressure.

Set an AI prompt to extract the exact info you need: define your prompt, run some tests, scan your documents, and then ask it to summarize the information it just searched.

Litigation Radio’s Aug 15, 2023 episode discusses how litigation firms are already using AI and the prompt nuances for stronger e-discovery:

Litigation Radio

AI, The Law, And Your Firm: What You Need To Know Today

5 Things AI CAN’T Do

While AI can help make your job easier, it can not replace the need for a human touch in the legal sector. But it can give you time to focus on more subjective activities and those that demand your refined training.  

• Make Arguments to a Jury

Building a compelling argument, addressing objections, and persuading that jury takes experience, nuance, and experience that AI can’t deliver. How you carry yourself in court and appeal to the jury’s emotions is something only a human can do.

• Weigh The Softer Factors of a Strategy Decision

AI can analyze data sets, find differences, and locate specific pieces of information to support you in a case. However, AI can’t know the subjective factors of how a witness presents, the order of questions, or how those elements fit together in the jury’s mind. 

• Prompt Itself to Create Contracts

That contract won’t write itself. AI can’t know what structure will keep clients and their contracting partners out of court. It takes more than just pushing a button to get a usable document. While AI can automatically pull some data or create some documents from templates, humans tell AI what to write. Your experience and knowledge of contracting pitfalls define AI prompts that form the contract. On the July 27, 2023 episode of The Digital Edge, their guest Ben Schorr from Microsoft said their AI tool “is intended to help people get more done. It’s there to work alongside you not instead of you.”

The Digital Edge

Microsoft’s Copilot: New AI Tools for Microsoft 365!

• Provide Compassionate Counsel

Feeling valued, respected, and understood is key for your clients. Helping them feel confident in their case comes from your knowledge and track record and concern for them is something they can’t get from AI alone. 

• Be Perfect Every Time

While AI is a great tool that provides a lot of accuracy and can vastly reduce errors, it still requires review to ensure the generated information is accurate and valid, even though most work generated by AI is high quality and virtually error-free in most cases.

Best Practices for Using AI as a Litigator

Knowing where to start and what to look for in a legal AI document generation tool can be confusing. Here is a short list of best practices to help you get the most from AI.

• Become an Early Adopter

AI uses machine learning to create better, more tailored responses over time and the more time you spend using it, the smarter it becomes with its responses. So do you. The longer you use AI, you get better and faster at building robust prompts. You get ahead of your competition and become more savvy with the software to help your AI generator tool work better for you.

• Find the Right Tool

Keep security in mind. Rather than using ChatGPT in its publically-available form, find a tool with guardrails in place for document security. Some tools share information. Look for tools made for litigators that keep data within your instance. 

Look for tools that already integrate with your CRM. With integrations with your practice management tools, you can use client data you already have to create contracts, invoices, requests, letters, filings, etc. Save yourself and your clients from searching out information they’ve already given you. Jared Correia talks about that exact advantage in his August 3, 2023 episode of Legal Toolkit:

Legal Toolkit

Software Integrations; Emil Ali talks IP Ethics; and “A Day at the Movies”

Find an AI document generator with workflows and eSignatures to save time on legal contract automation. Use AI to create a document from scratch, add in eSignatures for your clients to sign the document, and set up this process as a workflow that automatically sends notifications and reminders when it is time to review or sign. 

Choosing a tool with both workflows and CRM integrations, you can export completed documents to your CRM once the workflow is complete. 

• Prompt Your AI Properly

Learning how to prompt your AI tool the right way is essential. Use full sentences and descriptive words, active verbs, and text that clearly describes what you form you want the result to be. 

Ask specific, open-ended questions. Avoid prompting the AI with yes-no questions. You need details. Provide context about why you’re looking and the target audience to get more relevant responses.

Many AI tools work on a thread system; you ask it questions as part of a larger conversation and your AI will build on that. Try to work in the same thread and give feedback on the responses. The AI won’t take it as criticism! Giving it feedback teaches your AI how to respond and provide more relevant information.

Bonus: as Jared Correia pointed out in the May 25, 2023 episode of Legal Toolkit, AI tells terrible jokes. Spin ahead to the Rump Roast at 28:00 where he reads the response from ChatGPT, leaving the listener to guess what prompt what went in to get that response.

Legal Toolkit

AI Tells Lame Jokes; The Fastcase/vLex Merger; and “ChatGPT Jeopardy!”

Use AI to Your Advantage

AI is not replacing real humans anytime soon, especially in legal. But it’s a great starting point for your documents. AI can give your team a competitive edge, help you save on non-billable hours, and even improve your client relationships. For easy, secure, legal document generation and workflows, try OnTask’s new AI document generator.

How a Coerced Confession Led to a Wrongful Conviction

On September 7, 1988, Marty Tankleff ^[1], a high school senior, woke up to find his adoptive parents brutally beaten and stabbed in their Long Island home. Despite a complete lack of physical evidence pointing to him, the investigation quickly focused on Marty as the primary suspect. 

In fact, the only evidence against Marty was a coerced confession. After hours of questioning, Marty eventually confessed to the crime, but then quickly recanted. Despite his recantation, Marty was convicted and sentenced to 50 years to life in prison for the murder of his parents – a conviction based solely on a coerced confession.

A Decades-long Battle for Freedom

Over the next ten years, Marty worked tirelessly with a team of lawyers, investigators, and advocates to appeal his case. Despite repeated setbacks, they refused to give up. Eventually, more and more evidence emerged to prove Marty’s innocence. Several witnesses came forward who implicated another suspect, and forensic testing revealed that the DNA on the murder weapon did not match Marty’s.

Finally, in 2007, Marty’s legal team was successful in securing a new trial, and in 2008, after almost two decades behind bars, Marty was finally released.

_{[1] Martin Tankleff is currently the Peter P. Mullin Distinguished Visiting Professor at Georgetown University, an Adjunct Professor of Law at Georgetown Law Center, and Special Counsel to Barket Epstein Kearon Aldea & LoTurco, LLP – one of the firms that helped obtain Marty’s exoneration.}

From Wrongfully Convicted to Criminal Justice Advocate

Marty’s case is a tragic example of the flaws within the criminal justice system. Despite the lack of physical evidence and the inconsistencies in his confession, Marty was wrongfully convicted and sentenced to a lifetime in prison. His story is a powerful reminder of the importance of fighting for justice and the need for reform within the criminal justice system. 

Today, Marty is a free man, a defense attorney, professor of law, and leading voice for the innocent. He has dedicated his life to advocating for criminal justice reform and helping others who have been wrongfully convicted. 

Dive Deeper into False Confessions and Hear Marty’s Story on the California Innocence Project Podcast

Listen to Marty’s full story on the California Innocence Project Podcast. Episodes will offer an in-depth look at the issue of false confessions; including the psychological and legal factors that can lead to eliciting false statements, along with a firsthand account of Marty’s incredible story.

California Innocence Project Podcast

Banks’ story is a powerful example of the injustices that can occur within the criminal justice system. His incredible story of wrongful conviction – and eventual exoneration – is the focus of the latest series of Legal Talk Network’s new podcast, “For the Innocent.” 

For The Innocent

Brian Banks’ Story – Part 1

A Promising Football Star’s Tragic Turn of Events

In his junior year at Long Beach Poly High, Brian dominated the football field as a linebacker.  He had verbally accepted an offer to play at the University of Southern California (USC) with a full ride scholarship. At just 16-years-old, Brian had everything in the world to look forward to; however, all of this came crashing down when he was falsely accused and wrongfully convicted of raping a fellow classmate, Wanetta Gibson. 

A False Accusation and an Impossible Choice

Although there was no DNA found on the accuser or her clothing, no eye-witness testimony, and no other evidence to support Gibson’s claims, Brian was arrested for the crime. After months of awaiting trial, Banks was urged to take a plea deal by his lawyer, who believed that he would be unable to win his case in court. At just 17-years-old, Brian was being tried as an adult. He faced an impossible decision – either fight the charges against him and risk spending 41 years-to-life in prison, or accept a plea deal for a shorter sentence, and serve time in prison for a crime he did not commit. 

Out of fear and pressure from his lawyer, Brian pleaded no contest to the charges and was sentenced to a decade of prison and probation. Brian went to prison on his 18th birthday, marking the first day of what would be a long and challenging five-year prison sentence. 

From Exoneration to the NFL: Brian Banks’ Incredible Journey

After his release from prison and nearly a decade after the alleged crime, Banks’ accuser reached out to him on social media. She confessed to Brian and his legal team that she had lied. With the help of the California Innocence Project – and his accuser’s recanted testimony – Banks was able to have his conviction overturned in 2012. 

Following his exoneration, Banks sought to resume his dream of playing football. In the summer of 2012, Brian received tryouts with several NFL teams, including the Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, and San Francisco 49ers. Banks signed with the Atlanta Falcons on April 3rd, 2013. And although he only played four preseason games with the Falcons before being released, Banks was able to fulfill his lifelong dream of playing in the NFL.  

Raising Awareness and Inspiring Change

Unfortunately, Brian’s story is just one of many. He was a victim of false accusations and wrongful conviction, and lost over five years of his life as a result. His story is a powerful reminder of the importance of fighting for justice, and a testament to the strength and resilience of the human spirit.

By sharing his story, Banks is helping to raise awareness about wrongful convictions, the systemic issues within our criminal justice system that contribute to these injustices, and  inspiring others in their fight for freedom.

For The Innocent

Brian Banks’ Story – Part 2

For The Innocent

Brian Banks’ Story – Part 3

The Journey to Justice: Uriah Courtney’s Story of Overcoming Wrongful Conviction on Legal Talk Network’s Debut Episode

The first series release of Legal Talk Network’s newest wrongful conviction podcast, the California Innocence Project, shares the story of Uriah Courtney, his journey of being wrongfully convicted, and his eventual exoneration by The California Innocence Project after spending nearly eight years in prison.

For The Innocent

Uriah’s Story

From Wrongful Conviction to Redemption Through DNA Evidence

For Uriah, life in prison was a nightmare. He was away from his family, his friends, and the world he knew. But amidst all the pain and turmoil, Uriah never lost hope. His chance at justice came when The California Innocence Project took on his case in 2010. The California Innocence Project is a non-profit organization that provides free legal representation and investigative services to those who have been wrongfully convicted.

After over eight years in prison, new DNA evidence was able to prove Uriah’s innocence, and in June 2013, all charges against him were dismissed and he was released from prison. Uriah’s case highlights the flaws in the criminal justice system, including the unreliability of eyewitness identifications and the significance of timely access to DNA evidence. 

“I think that if the evidence hadn’t been preserved…it’s likely there would have been no hope for me,” said Uriah Courtney. “It’s possible I could have died in prison.”

Life after Exoneration

Today, Uriah is a free man and a vocal advocate for justice reform. He frequently speaks about his experience of being wrongfully convicted, the trauma he endured, and the importance of fighting for justice. Uriah’s story has also inspired him to co-author the book “Exoneree,” which is an honest and open account of his time spent in prison and how he made it through.

Uriah’s story is unfortunately not unique. According to the National Registry of Exonerations, there have been over 2,800 exonerations in the United States since 1989. Many of these exonerations are thanks to advances in DNA evidence, as well as the work of organizations like The California Innocence Project that are dedicated to writing these wrongs and giving those who have been wrongfully convicted a second chance at life.

Legal Talk Network, the leading legal podcast network, announces the launch of ‘California Innocence Project Podcast:’ stories of innoce men and women convicted and spent decades in prison for crimes they did not commit. 

“The injustice suffered by so many innocent people is heartbreaking,” said Legal Talk Network Executive Producer Laurence Colletti. “I simply had no idea how often wrongful convictions occurred. Working with the California Innocence Project on this podcast has been an incredibly humbling experience. Learning about their fights for freedom has given me new inspiration about the practice of law. The work they do truly matters.”

California Innocence Project Podcast’s episodes will include first-hand accounts from the exoneree, as well as discussion on the common ways innocent people end up in the system including DNA, false confessions, and junk science. Legal Talk Network sourced experts in evidence, prosecutors, lawyers, documentarians, and the exonerees themselves. Exoneree stories will include football player Brian Banks and Amanda Knox. 

“We are pleased to find a partner in Legal Talk Network who has taken the time and care to get the word out about the people trapped in a wrongful conviction, and explain the work our attorneys did to free them,” said Michael Semanchik, Managing Attorney for California Innocence Project, and host of the podcast. “We hope that by talking about the exonerees, we can raise awareness of the need for criminal justice reform and inspire others to get involved in this important work.”

The California Innocence Project works to free innocent people wrongfully convicted of crimes through the work of staff attorneys, law student interns, and pro bono attorneys. Since its founding in 1999, the organization has exonerated 38 individuals who collectively spent hundreds of years in prison for crimes they did not commit. 

“The California Innocence Project Podcast on the Legal Talk Network will provide an invaluable platform for the public to understand the struggles and victories of exonerees,” says Jack Newton, CEO and Founder of Clio. “It’s time for society to confront the injustices that persist within our legal system and work together to create a more equitable future for all.

By providing
our software, we hope to contribute to a more efficient legal process and empower them to
reach even more individuals in need. By giving a voice to these stories, we can help prevent
future wrongful convictions.”

Early episodes of California Innocence Project Podcast: 

• Uriah Courtney: wrongfully identified and convicted of kidnapping and rape in 2005. Uriah served eight years before the victim’s clothing was re-tested for DNA, and the resulting DNA pointed to the real perpetrator who went on to commit additional crimes that landed him in the national DNA database.
• Brian Banks: wrongfully convicted in 2002 of rape at age 17 after being wrongly accused by a high school acquaintance. Brian was pressured into a plea deal only to have his accuser recant her testimony after his release. 
• Martin Tankleff: wrongfully convicted in 1999 of murdering his parents. Tankleff was coerced into falsely confessing to the crime after hours of intense questioning and sentenced to 50 years to life in prison.

California Innocence Project Podcast, produced by Legal Talk Network, is available now on all major podcast platforms, including Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

About Legal Talk Network:

Legal Talk Network is a leading podcast network that covers a wide range of legal topics, including legal news, practice management, and career development. With a diverse roster of hosts and guests, the network is committed to advancing the legal profession by providing quality educational content and fostering a community of legal professionals who are passionate about improving the practice of law. For more information visit legaltalknetwork.com.

About the California Innocence Project:

The California Innocence Project is a non-profit organization based in San Diego, California, working to free innocent people who have been wrongfully convicted. Since 1999, the Project has exonerated 38 people who have spent years in prison for crimes they did not commit. The California Innocence Project is dedicated to ensuring that the innocent are freed, the guilty are held accountable, and the justice system is fair for all. For more information visit: californiainnocenceproject.org.

About Clio:

Clio is transforming the legal experience for all by creating the world’s leading cloud-based technologies for law firms. Firms of all sizes and practice areas use Clio products—Clio Manage, Clio Grow, and Lawyaw—to manage firm operations, streamline billing and payments, automate legal documents, and improve client experiences. As a result, Clio is helping lawyers and their clients better connect throughout the legal process. 

Media assets available at: legaltalkenetwork.com/media

Media Contacts:

Paige Locke
Marketing Manager
Legal Talk Network
plocke@legaltalknetwork.com

Michael Semanchik
Managing Attorney
California Innocence Project
michaelsemanchik@gmail.com  

Laurence Colletti
Executive Producer
Legal Talk Network
lcolletti@legaltalknetwork.com 

Helmed by Co-Chairs Gyi Tsakalakis and Jeannine Lambert, the 2023 ABA TECHSHOW returned to the Hyatt Regency in Chicago (March 1-4). This marks the 2nd year of in-person gatherings for this legal technology conference since the Pandemic waned. In a good way, this year’s event felt more like business-as-usual. Regardless of someone’s tech knowledge, there were plenty of programs and access to experts giving a leg-up on law firm operations. Legal tech companies were more than happy to discuss products and services making the practice of law easier/more profitable. In addition, knowledgeable speakers (usually attorneys) generously shared their secrets to running better firms and getting the most out of practice life.

At last check, the Expo Hall was nearly sold to capacity. In terms of the vendors, there were small booth offerings for newly minted start-up companies as well as larger spaces for the more established companies. Hosted by long time legal technology journalist Bob Ambrogi, day one’s opening event was the 7th annual start-up pitch competition for companies in the legal tech space. This year’s winner was Universal Migrator, a company that makes migrating practice management or document management platforms simpler.

As for our podcast coverage, we were excited to talk with expert speakers about topics like Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs), the Metaverse, Web 3, and A.I. Like many others out there, we’ve heard about Chat GPT’s use of artificial intelligence and this year’s ABA TECHSHOW gave us an opportunity to learn much more about it. On the regulatory front, we also hosted a discussion about the ABA’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct 5.4 and 5.5 (Fee Sharing, Law Firm Ownership Models, and Unauthorized Practice of Law). For a complete list of our podcast episodes and notable guests, please see below:

‘The Lowdown’

Conference Chair Gyi Tsakalakis stops by to give a quick run-down of the event and gives advice on how to get the most out of this annual gathering. Stay tuned for a little timeless Stoic Wisdom.

‘Insights From the Legaltech Visionaries Panel’

Top Entrepreneurs in Legal Tech (Jack Newton, Kimberly Bennett, Jazz Hampton, & Erin Levine) sit down to discuss the ethos of innovation, overcoming fear, and motivational advice for making dreams come true…

‘Integrations In Law Practice’

Catherine Stock and Tressa Schultze discuss the value and benefits for their customers following the integration of MyCase into Infotrack.

‘The Fourth Dimension – Law in the Metaverse’

We take a special trip into the Metaverse and discuss the emerging legal issues inside this new world with Mathew Kerbis, Diane LittleJohn, and Kristen Roberts. Spoiler: There are a lot of ways for attorneys to make money there.

‘Web3 and Law Firm Financials’

From Crypto-Currencies to Non-Fungible Tokens, there are a lot of ways to create, buy, and sell digital property. But when is it considered property vs. currency? The answer to that question triggers a variety of legal issues. Jessica Neer McDonald and Jamie Szal give us the walk-through.

‘Using AI in Litigation’

Artificial Intelligence might be here to stay but is it ready for litigation? Pablo Arredondo and Stephen Embry stop by to discuss the proper way lawyers should be using today’s A.I. as well as predict the future implications of this rapidly developing technology.

‘Public Hearing on Proposals to Amend Rules of Professional Conduct 5.4 and 5.5’

When it comes to fee sharing, law firm ownership, and the unauthorized practice of law, there are a wide gamut of opinions. Thankfully, we have an expert panel (Lynda Shely, Darth Vaughn, Jayne Reardon, and Ed Walters) to give us a road map on what’s being discussed by the American Bar Association for their Model Rules of Professional Conduct. 

Notable Guests (in alphabetical order):

• Pablo Arredondo – (Co-Founder and Chief Innovation Officer at Casetext)
• Kimberly Bennett – (Co-Founder of Fidu)
• Stephen Embry – (Chair of ABA Law Practice Division & Founder of EmbryLaw, LLC)
• Jazz Hampton – (CEO & GC of TurnSignl)
• Mathew Kerbis – (Founder Subscription Attorney
• Erin Levine – (Founder of Hello Divorce)
• Diane LittleJohn – (Executive Director of the Technology Law and Policy Center at North Carolina Central University School of Law & Founder of LittleJohn Law Offices)
• Jessica Neer McDonald – (Founder of Neer McD PLLC)
• Jack Newton – (Founder and CEO of Clio)
• Jayne Reardon – (Principal of Jayne Reardon Consulting & former Executive Director of the Illinois Supreme Court Commission on Professionalism)
• Kristen Roberts – (Founder & Managing Attorney at Trestle Law, APC)
• Tressa Schultze – (Director of Product in Legal Software & FinTech)
• Lynda Shely – (Founder of The Shely Firm, PC)
• Catherine Stock – (Partnerships Manager at InfoTrack US)
• Jamie Szal – (Partner at Brann & Isaacson)
• Gyi Tsakalakis – (President of Attorney Sync)
• Darth Vaughn – (Litigation Counsel & Legal Innovation & Technology Operations Manager at Ford Motor Company)
• Ed Walters – (CEO & Co-Founder of Fastcase)

I’m new to legal, but long in media experience. My role at Legal Talk Network is primarily sponsorship sales and working with show partners (like the CBA and ABA) to produce and deliver legal podcasts.  I end up having a lot of conversations with attorneys like you who want to start their own podcasts. 

And we say ‘no’ to them. A lot.

There are some issues that come up repeatedly and I want to share a few of these with you. Perhaps with this session, our experience can save you all some frustration.

I have a few items about what works, and what doesn’t… 

First some Don’ts…

Rather, don’t talk and talk and talk and talk.

Just because you have a microphone does not mean people have to, or want to, listen to you. 

Organize your thoughts so people can follow the structure of your point or the progression of questions to a guest.

Edit your thoughts. That means take stuff out, don’t polish it like your acceptance speech. Less is more.

Conrad and his co-host Gyi Tsakalakis work with a tight show plan. They are deeply knowledgeable about these marketing tools so there are tons more things they might say about the marketing tools. But for the sake of the listener, the hosts take that extra minute to step back, so they can prioritize the most important ideas the listeners care about. 

It’s your ability as a host to filter and curate the subject matter, or share a specific point of view that creates value to the listeners, and builds your reputation as a thought leader worth listening to. 

Meaning, don’t just sit back and listen to your guest’s answers. As a host, you are not a listener. Ask your guests meaningful questions. Ask things that listeners won’t find in other interviews or articles the guest may have written.

Our team recently worked with a podcasting client who was good at getting good guests. Then the hosts sat back and let the very good guests talk. They said “we didn’t want to get in their way.” 

Their approach was to ask a broad question and then effectively take their hands off the wheel. The guests rambled on and on and on.

Then the guests started to sound desperate. You can almost hear them thinking “am I saying the right stuff? Is this what you wanted? This can’t be right. Should I keep going?“

As host, you are the proxy for the listener. The host can and should do things the listener CANNOT do!

• Interrupt a long, off-track ramble. 
• Stop to provide clarification or fill in a gap for the sake of the listener.
• Ask them to explain jargon or abbreviations. Again, you’re there to help the listener.
• Or call them on their crap. 
• Draw out something special from your guest. For example, ask them a question you ask all your guests so you have multiple points of view on a single, central idea that’s unique to your show.

Many guests who are willing to interview have a book to promote or are otherwise on a circuit, and they end up saying the same things in multiple settings. That’s boring for them and if a listener has heard them on another podcast, they’re going to hear the same stories, which undervalues your show.

As host, you can create a reason to knock them off-script. Make them laugh or offer something that hasn’t been heard anywhere else, or say “huh, I never thought about that.” 

• We have a host, Jared Corriea of Legal Toolkit, who always plays a dumb game with his guests. The game is a recurring feature on the show so listeners know to expect it, and the guest gets to have a reason to be off-script and have a laugh.
• Adriana Linares of New Solo wants to show another side of her guests and often asks them about wine or gardening or their hobbies. After that exchange, the listener gets to learn something special about the guest they wouldn’t have gotten anywhere else. Result: your show is now special-er.
• Managing a guest builds YOUR bond with the audience.  

Ask narrow questions so you can keep the guest to one, trackable idea. You can always ask follow-up questions. But if you start with a broad question, it can be hard to get to the heart of what you really want out of them. Worse, it can be hard to stop them once they’ve set out. 

Here is a question to avoid because it’s overly-broad: “Before we start, tell us a little about how you got into the area of this-that-and-the-other.”

I heard a host let a guest ramble on for NINE minutes with his resume rundown in a recent episode. That gives the guest carte blanche on your listener’s dime. A guest is never going to edit themselves without you guiding them to what’s important.

The guest did not make the same promise you did to deliver relevant info that’s consistent with your show’s brand. You as the host are the only one who can keep the conversation on track. 

Instead, ask about a specific element of their work, or ask a question that sounds like a statement such as “I thought it was really interesting how you were in this area but then moved over to that area. Tell us about how your experience there informs your work now.”

You make an implied promise to your audience when you send a podcast out into the world. 

Just like hosting a party, it’s implied you will have refreshments at things you invite people to. And it is implied that you will not be a rambling, incoherent, self-indulgent mess. That sort of poor hosting in either a party setting or a podcasting setting does not build your reputation. In this analogy, you don’t need the extra food or drinks – but the people you invite in do. They need the structure and curation that a good host provides.

The audience is what makes your show real. If you don’t engage their interest and provide some structure to the discussion and a reason for them to listen to your next episode, you’re just a guy in a closet talking to himself. Take the time to make a plan for being a better host.

Don’t Ignore Your Promise

Promise  – I keep using that word because it’s important and it differentiates the randos in a closet from real thought leaders. Your promise is what you do to use the audience’s time well and provide something relevant. Sometimes adding structure is a little predictable and that’s OK. It’s even comforting if you don’t overuse the same phrases. You can do it in your own way, but plan to deliver your show and topics and format consistently to retain your audience. 

Your Promise to listeners drives the way you organize your show. These are the key elements:

• Brand imaging
• Your guest selection
• How you frame your questions
• How you reflect back what you understand your audience wants from your show

Delivering on your promise, just like in real life, builds your reputation. To test if something is part of your Promise and will build your reputation, keep asking yourself:

“What do I want my audience to come away with from listening to my show?”

Your Promise holds your show together around that question.

Motivation: Why do people listen to a show? What motivated them to tune in? Here’s what we found out when we asked our Legal Talk Network listeners: people tune in initially because the topics are interesting. 

They are out in the world, curious about something, searched around, and found out that your show may have a possible answer. This curiosity is the beginning of your relationship together. 

Do a few specific things to help your potential audience find you:

• Episode Titles: Be specific about what you’re going to cover. Guest name, and what you’re going to talk about. It’s ok to be a little long (not lawyer-long but…):
  • Google Analytics for Your Law Firm…? (whatevs)
  • Using Google Analytics to Help You Make Business Decisions (better)
• Searchable: Write your titles in an interesting and possibly provocative way. But:
  • don’t be so cute that the search engines can’t find your relevant episode and deliver your episode to someone interested in hearing your show.
  • Write for both humans and search robots. 

In the industry as a whole, 30% of listeners, according to Edison’s Infinite Dial, report finding their favorite shows on a search engine:

• For us, as a niche topic network, we heard 18% of listeners found us through search. We had another 18% who reported that they “knew about us already” so that’s the nature of a small industry – we’re all friends and forgot where we met.

Do remember that Apple Podcasts is a Search Engine.

Help your potential audience find you in their favorite podcast search engine. This is not a small suggestion: hear me now and believe me on the next slide.  Connect your show to Apple Podcasts so you’re findable in the legal space. 

Even though Spotify says they’re the #1 podcast distributor, nearly 90% of our legal audience comes through Apple. 

This is our chart over time of user agents requesting episodes. User agents (agents like your podcast player, working on behalf of you, the user) are the robots that deliver episodes listeners download, and then report back to us “Hey, I sent your show to someone.”

The blue is Apple’s user agents. There’s no second place. The legal industry seems to have a very strong preference for Apple. Over 80% of OUR downloads come through Apple users. So, I recommend, in order to help your show find a legal audience, take the time to work through the multi-step process to get your show on Apple Podcasts. 

Listeners are motivated to listen ONCE  because of the topic. 

But then they STAY with a show because they like the hosts. 

All three shows represented on this panel are podcasts that people tend to stay with – their subscriber to download ratio is high, implying these three have established a rapport with their audiences. 

This chart about “What’s Important?” is really saying the audience trusts that time spent with these hosts will be spent in an entertaining or informative way… as long as the hosts remember their promise and bring their personalities and good hosting to the conversation. 

Know your audience.

Big or small, understand that your audience won’t include “everyone.”

Test the choices you make about your show (ie., guest selection, artwork choices, sponsor mix, promotional partners, etc.) by asking yourself “what do I want my audience to come away with from my show?”

Podcasting is very niched. That’s exciting to me because of all the choices. Niche is nice. It gives you the opportunity to be you and not have to please EVERYONE. You can get as deep and wonky as you want. As you’re developing your shows, think about who else wants to talk about these things with you – and be consistent in what you deliver. 

Think about it:  How do inside jokes work? They are special BECAUSE they don’t translate to a wide audience. When you created an inside joke with a friend, you two added to your bond of shared experiences. Podcasts can be hugely intimate because of the smallness of a topic.

I’ll give you a new idea to try. If you say “my audience is everyone,” you’ll please nobody in your effort to attract everyone. Podcasting, unless you’re Joe Rogan, is less about having the biggest audience, than it is about creating something interesting, well-formed, and valuable to a certain set of listeners.

In contrast, broadcast content has to please a lot of people, or rather, not antagonize major segments of audiences, so it ends up being mediocre. Pleasing everyone is a massive burden.

I am new to legal, but I’ve been in broadcast media in TV and radio for well over 20 years. I was in for so long that they gave me a trophy. So you can imagine it broke my heart when I realized a few years ago that I didn’t listen to my radio any more. I didn’t watch network TV anymore. I’d seen everything they were putting out, and I’d become adept at seeking out more interesting content.

Podcasts have a special kind of freedom that comes with not having to maintain (and appease) a massive audience. That allows us to go deep and narrow on a topic to pursue things that interest us, and get weird.

My fellow panelist Joe Patrice here has the biggest audience among our shows, and while he appeals very much to me, Thinking Like a Lawyer doesn’t appeal to everyone. Their tone is snarky, the vibe is distinctly ‘insider.’ There are sponsors I steer away from his very popular and fun show because that sponsor wouldn’t be consistent with the promise that show delivers to its audience.

Don’t talk to everyone. Identify your listeners… talk to them about stuff you’re both interested in.

There is room for more legal podcasts.

As much as we talk about niche and small audiences, there is room for more content, and room for your content. You might recognize this, but lawyers are voracious learners. You are a hungry bunch. This is good. That means there is audience for you. The legal market is NOT saturated.

When we asked our listeners what else they listen to besides Legal Talk Network, I expected to see all the other genres that are popular in the consumer space like comedy or news, sports or politics, true crime.

Here’s where we embrace the niche… OUR listeners, made up of over 75% attorneys, practicing or otherwise, told us their #1 other interests is “Other Law and Legal.” 

Hmmm? OK, so what kind of “Other Law and Legal” would you like specifically?

We dug in…  13% wanted Litigation and Courtroom, then Supreme Court Coverage, then History-based Legal, then Legal Technology… 

This list is a sushi menu of what to put together in your show. This is what your potential listeners are interested in. There is room in the podcast marketplace for you. 

As listeners, the legal community somehow has capacity to take in a remarkable volume of content. When we asked how many podcast episodes our listeners consumed in a week… 30% listen to 10 or more episodes of SOMETHING per week. 30%.

Compare that to the consumer audience…

…only 18% listened to that many in a week. Amateurs.

Don’t Use Bad Equipment

Audio quality does matter. Like I said at the beginning, I get a lot of submissions from legal podcasters like you. 

I know you would never do this, but if when I hear a host who sounds like he’s a mile away, or there’s a washing machine in the background, or traffic noise, I’m hearing “this person isn’t serious.” 

Simple equipment upgrades take your podcast to the next level. It won’t make your questions better, or think through your show outline, but it will help you cross a basic criteria. 

Everyone asks… so here is Adam the Audio Engineer’s Shopping List.

Don’t Be a Stranger

Let’s chat! Thank you for joining the conversation!
Lisa Kirkman
Director of Partnerships
Legal Talk Network
lkirkman@legaltalknetwork.com

True-to-form, the “Clions” invested far outside the bell-curve on amenities, speakers, and educational programming. This year’s conference was set against the gargantuan backdrop of the ‘Gaylord Opryland Resort & Convention Center’, a nine acre indoor facility equipped with its own river, water park, and fun-faux town square under a gigantic glass atrium. 

As for the speakers, the Keynotes included former Solicitor General Neal Katyal, ‘The Art of Gathering’ author Priya Parker, ‘Influence: Science and Practice’ author Robert Cialdini, and of course Clio Founder/CEO Jack Newton.

In addition to learning better ways to use the Clio Practice Management Platform, particpants had access to a variety of educational sessions designed to make legal practice more profitable, efficient, and enjoyable. 

For our part, we recorded 18 short-format podcasts loaded with economic data/trends about the legal profession as well as ways for generating more business in your law firm. If you want to learn more about marketing your firm, building automations into your legal work, or what today’s client really want… you’ve come to the right place. All of these episodes are linked below.

Lastly, we had the great privilege of getting early access to the 2022 Clio Legal Trends Report. This free annual publication is easy-to-read and offers unparalleled insights about the legal profession. In my humble opinion, this unique report is a must-read for anyone who owns or manages a law firm. Among the many data points included are the following:

• Billing rates by practice area and location
• Client preferences for delivering legal services
• Billing methods that increase collections
• Economic factors impacting the legal profession
• Work flows and software
• Key Performance Indicators (KPIs)

Episode List:

Insights from Clio’s 2022 Legal Trends Report

Amid inflation, rising interest rates, and volatile employment markets, Clio takes a look at how global trends have impacted business and productivity among law firms.

What Lies Ahead for Legal with Jack Newton

The world of lawyering has surged in spite of the pandemic, but new adversity looms. Fears over inflation, war, hiring markets, and a recession have left many attorneys wondering how to prepare for the coming months.

Building Influence thru Relationships & Persuasion with Robert Cialdini

Host Christopher Anderson sits down with acclaimed author Robert Cialdini to talk about his scientific research into influence. Robert discusses the many effects of influence in the world, shares his Six Principles of Persuasion, and explains how solid, meaningful relationships help us build our influence both personally and professionally. 

How to Design Scalable Legal Services

No matter your practice area, smart planning can help you grow your business. Co-hosts Christopher Anderson and Laurence Colletti talk with Tim Parlatore about creating a scalable law firm.

Lessons Learned from Starting a New Law Firm

Why start your own law firm? –Freedom, a creative business model, providing a unique client experience… and the list goes on! Sharing highlights from their panel discussion, Austin Pantaleo, Lindsey Egan, and Joe Gibson talk through vital lessons learned while starting up their law firms and give their top strategies for success as a solo attorney.

The Benefits of a Legal Blog

Legal blog posts are great tools for building relationships with potential clients because they create trust, credibility, and allow you to create a personal connection with your clients.

Hire for Success – Best Practices for Growing Your Team

If you’re working way more hours than you want to, it’s time to hire someone new! Hiring another lawyer for your firm lightens your load, lessens the likelihood of burnout, and makes you more money. Kristin Tyler shares insights on current hiring trends and outlines how to connect with the right talent for your team. 

Decision Science with Nika Kabiri

Bad decision making is a very human problem, but that doesn’t mean we can’t override our natural tendencies and make successful choices. Host Stephanie Everett taps into Nika Kabiri’s insights on science-based decision strategies. 

How to Use PR to Build Your Law Firm’s Brand

Even small firms can use PR to their advantage. Joe Patrice talks with Pamela Smith about leveraging PR strategies for firms of any size.

Automating Workflows with Zapier

Avoiding busywork should be at the top of your to-do list, and automation is the best solution. Foojan Shabrang and Scott Hamilton offer tips for getting started with Zapier to automate your workflows.

How to Get Paid for Your Legal Services—Without the Chase

Creating a happy path from intake to invoice makes getting paid a lot easier, but how do you get there? Hosts Laurence Colletti and Stephanie Everett talk with Adrian Francis and Raquel Trinidad about client billing without the hassle.

How Content Creation Can Grow Your Law Firm

Strategic messaging helps your community understand why they want you to be their lawyer. Tune in to Laurence Colletti’s conversation with Camille Moore and Phillip Millar to learn how to take the plunge into online content creation and grow your brand.

Innovation in the Courts with Judge Schlegel

The pandemic was a driver for change in justice systems around the globe, but one court’s innovative and inexpensive approach is worth a closer look. Judge Scott Schlegel manages what may be one of the most advanced courts in the United States for delivering justice online. 

Reisman Award Winner Andrew Rudder – Best New Law Firm

Reisman Award winner Andrew Rudder talks with host Patrick Palace about his path to becoming a lawyer, including some of the unique experiences and challenges he has faced as a black attorney.

Reisman Award Winner Geeta Daswani – Excellence in Client Service

“A great client experience should be at the core of what you do.” – Geeta Daswani, winner of the Excellence in Client Service Reisman Award, talks with podcast host Patrick Palace about her firm’s best practices for thoughtful and efficient client interactions. 

Finding Balance – How to Make the Most of Your Time

How much can we really get done in a day? Christopher Anderson talks with Clio presenter Olivia Vizachero about how to become a consistent, confident manager of your schedule.

How to Succeed with Social Media Marketing

Love it or hate it, social media is where you need to be to get noticed by modern consumers. Gyi Tsakalakis chats with Michelle Fonseca-Kamana and Adam Juratovac about developing online presence to strengthen credibility and reach new clients. 

Managing Client Expectations for Long Term Success

Lack of communication and surprisingly large bills are often major sources of complaint for law firm clients, but it doesn’t have to be that way! Attorneys Shreya and Colin Ley share their simple strategies for managing client expectations and providing a better customer experience.

Participants:

1. Christopher Anderson
2. Robert Cialdini
3. Geeta Daswani
4. Lindsey E. Egan
5. Stephanie Everett
6. Michelle Fonseca-Kamana
7. Adrian Francis
8. Joe Gibson
9. Iffy Ibekwe
10. Adam S. Juratovac
11. Scott Hamilton
12. Nika Kabiri
13. Joshua Lenon
14. Colin Ley
15. Shreya Ley
16. Teresa Matich
17. Phillip Millar
18. Camille Moore
19. Jack Newton
20. Kevin O’Keefe
21. Patrick Palace
22. Austin Pantaleo
23. Tim Parlatore
24. Joe Patrice
25. Rio Peterson
26. Andrew Rudder
27. Judge Scott Schlegel
28. Foojan Shabrang
29. Pamela Smith
30. Raquel Trinidad
31. Gyi Tsakalakis
32. Kristin Tyler
33. Olivia Vizachero

Hosted at the Marriott Marquis Houston, this year’s State Bar venue offered plenty for participants and guests to do; including the hotel’s infamous rooftop pool and lazy river, as well as Houston’s incredible downtown dining and entertainment scene. After a nearly two year hiatus, the entire State Bar Meeting was buzzing with people glad to be in-person again and reconnecting with close colleagues, partners, industry professionals and friends.

State Bar of Texas Podcast – Featured Episodes:

The Legal Talk Network was proud to be a part of this event, and had the opportunity to chat with some of this year’s amazing keynote speakers and guests. Listen to all you might have missed at the 2022 State Bar Meeting on the State Bar of Texas Podcast. 

State Bar of Texas 2022 Annual Meeting Episodes: 

State Bar of Texas Podcast

From Derogation to Reclamation: The Power Of Reclaiming ‘Racist’ Slurs with Simon Tam

• Should We Be Able to Reclaim a Racist Slur – as a Registered Trademark? Author, Musician and Activist Simon Tam weighs in and shares his Supreme Court experience.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

SCOTUS Update with Susanna Rychlak Allen (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Susanna Rychlak Allen discusses what we can expect from SCOTUS in its last leg of a highly controversial term.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Astroworld’s Legal Fallout (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• What Are the Legal Implications of the Astroworld Aftermath? Guests Saba Syed, Brent Turman and Barrett Robin discuss the latest on Litigation and Its Impact on the Live Events Industry.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Our Court System in a Post-COVID World (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Judge Emily Miskel, Chief Justice Tracy Christopher, and Tom Leatherbury discuss Courtroom Transparency – How the COVID-19 Pandemic Altered Court Accessibility and What Transparency Looks Like in a Post – COVID World

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Legal Storytelling and Legal Writing with Corban Addison (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Special guest Corban Addision joins to discuss his most recent legal thriller “Wastelands”; and how lawyers can leverage the power of storytelling in their legal writing and client advocacy

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Tips for New Lawyers in the Realm of Family Law (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Judge Janice Berg, Judge Gloria E. López, Jacob D. Cohen, and Alicia Palmer share their thoughts on What Every Young Lawyer Needs to Know about Family Law: Including a Perspective from the Bench.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

The New World of Addressing Sexual Harassment in the Workplace (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Lea A. Ream and Karen Fitzgerald discuss Best Practices Employers should Follow to Properly Respond to and Investigate Harassment Claims

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Presidential Goals with Laura Gibson and Michael Ritter (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• The 2022-2023 State Bar year marks a new chapter as Texas lawyers emerge from the pandemic and a sense of normalcy returns. Laura Gibson and Michael Ritter share their plans for the coming year.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

The Newest New Things in Employment Law (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Tony Campiti and Lawrence Morales discuss the latest trends and changes in employment law and what Texas lawyers, employers, and employees need to know.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Dealmaking Drama in Name, Image, and Likeness (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Jeremy Evans talks about the pros and cons of athletes’ new control over marketing their names, images, and likenesses and discusses some of the legal and ethical issues that have arisen.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Keynote Speaker Chris Shepherd (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• The Face of Houston’s Diverse Dining Scene shares Work, Life and Overall Wellness Advice

State Bar of Texas Podcast

A Crisis Is Coming (Oh, Believe It). Are You Prepared? (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• David Margulies and Bradley Adams are experts in crisis management and share what they’ve learned and how attorneys work with public relations teams both before and after a crisis erupts.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Gen Z’s Impacts in Legal (State Bar of Texas Annual Meeting 2022)

• Laura Graham and Jason Bloom give their thoughts on Gen Z: What Kind of Colleagues Will They Be? Jury Decision – Making and the Gen Z Juror

Talk Justice, An LSC Podcast

The Justice Gap: The Unmet Civil Legal Needs of Low-income Americans

University of Michigan Coach Jim Harbaugh joins Legal Service Corporation's Ron Flagg & John Levi to discuss the 2022 #JusticeGap Report and the inadequate #accesstojustice plaguing most low-income Americans https://t.co/fJbDbsNCSe pic.twitter.com/Q3f5bUc8MU

— Laurence Colletti (@LaurenceEsq) May 11, 2022

Serving at the Pleasure of the President:

What does it mean to serve at the pleasure of the President? Former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey stops by to discuss his responsibilities with the Department of Justice, dealing with the press, and the critical importance for attorneys to maintain independent judgment.

Litigation Radio

Serving at the Pleasure of the President

Highlights from the ABA Litigation Section: 2022 Annual Conference

The Section Annual Conference features top litigation professionals from across the country discussing timely legal issues and the latest in trial work. Hear highlights from this year’s gathering with special guests Beth Kaufman, Rick Gross and Harout Samra.

Litigation Radio

Highlights from the ABA Litigation Section: 2022 Annual Conference

How to Handle the Unexpected in Court

What happens when unexpected events arise during trial? Judge Carroll J. Kelly, Marc Zucker, Jennifer Seme and Mark A. Romance join host Dave Scriven-Young to discuss what to do when things don’t go according to plan.

Litigation Radio

How to Handle the Unexpected in Court

Ransomware and Cybersecurity Attacks: How to Better Protect your Clients:

Helping your clients with cybercrime, ransomware, and data breaches can be a heavy lift and attorneys are often the first line of defense. Latosha Ellis joins Dave Scriven-Young to discuss the successful navigation of these issues.

Litigation Radio

Ransomware and Cybersecurity Attacks: How to Better Protect your Clients

Participants:

• Latosha M. Ellis
• Rick L. Gross
• Beth L. Kaufman
• Michael B. Mukasey
• Mark A. Romance
• Harout J. Samra
• Jennifer L. Seme
• Marc J. Zucker

Believe it or not, wrongful convictions can happen to anyone. Innocent people go to prison all the time for crimes they didn’t commit. All anyone has to do is be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some of the most common reasons for wrongful conviction are eyewitness misidentification, junk science, indirect DNA transfers, and false accusations. As incredible as it might sound, there are hundreds of people who have been freed from wrongful convictions. And we only know about the lucky cases that made it to innocence projects with enough evidence for a second look. But tragically, for an alarming number of real people, actual justice didn’t occur until they lost 20, 30, or 40 years of their lives.

At base level, is there anything more important than our freedom? As Americans, we have the luxury of not worrying about it… but truth be told… Most people take freedom for granted until it’s gone. During my visit to the Innocence Network’s Annual Conference, I talked with exonerees, defense attorneys, prosecutors, forensic scientists, fellow podcasters, volunteers, and of course famous anti-death penalty nuns from the Catholic Church. For those not familiar, the Innocence Network is an informal coalition of independent innocence organizations dedicated to combating wrongful convictions. To date, there are 69 member organizations with 57 of those in the United States.

Not only do these innocence organizations fight for freedom but they also help exonerees when they get out of prison. As you can imagine, it can be jarring to return to civilization after being behind bars for decades. Experiences like hailing an Uber or setting up a laptop can be very difficult for people who haven’t had access to technology. On top of that, virtually all exonerees have no financial support upon release and their job prospects are extremely limited. Needless to say, such a transition can be quite debilitating.

In attendance at this year’s annual conference were over 200 freed/exonerated people who served a total of 6,030 years behind bars for crimes they didn’t commit. And they would still be rotting in prison but for the good people who work for and give to innocence projects. If you want proof that the legal profession does good, you should definitely follow their work online. The amount of persistence, hard work, and strength-of-spirit that goes into each innocence case is simply inspirational. 

‘The Moth Storytellers‘

And speaking of inspiration… The famed storytellers from The Moth put on a special workshop to help exonerees share their stories live on stage in front of cameras and a large audience. For most, this would have been a nerve racking experience but with The Moth’s help, everyone sounded like seasoned public speakers. These true life accounts were incredibly moving and transformational. They seemed to both heal the exoneree and inspire the weary exonerator, reminding them of why they got involved in the first place. 

Thanks to the kindness of both the Moth Storytellers and exonerees, I had the distinct privilege of getting a behind-the-scenes look at these workshops. As a general rule, the workshops are closed to outsiders to facilitate the creative process but the participants agreed to make an exception for me. And I’m so glad they did (much appreciated). This year’s exoneree storytellers were:

• Ronald Simpson-Bey (lost 27 years)
• Edward Dumbrique (lost 23 years)
• Perry Lott (lost 30 years)
• Juan Roberto Melendez (lost 18 years)
• Greg Mingo (lost 40 years)
• Jerome Morgan (lost 20 years)
• Gilbert Pool (lost 32 years)

‘Sister Helen Prejean‘

One of the highlights from the annual conference was getting an opportunity to interview Sister Helen Prejean. Our host Michael Semanchik talked with her about criminal justice, the importance of life, and the spiritual value of volunteer work. Sister Prejean is known worldwide for her work in criminal justice and anti-death penalty advocacy. In addition to her work in criminal justice reform, she wrote ‘Dead Man Walking’ which was adapted into a movie starring Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn. Michael’s interview with Sister Prejean can be heard here:

On the Road

Innocence Network Annual Conference 2022: Advocating Against the Death Penalty with Sister Helen Prejean

‘Exonerees in Person‘

Through my years at Legal Talk Network, we’ve had several exonerees on our various shows. It was wonderful to finally meet a few of them in-person:

Amanda Knox is an exoneree, journalist, podcaster, and author of the New York Times best-selling memoir, Waiting to Be Heard. Between 2007 and 2015, she spent nearly four years in an Italian prison and eight years on trial for a murder she didn’t commit. She now advocates for the wrongfully convicted, and is the co-host, alongside her partner Christopher Robinson, of the podcast Labyrinths. I had the pleasure of meeting her and her mother Edda. Here’s an episode featuring Amanda’s story:

@theBar

An Interview with Amanda Knox: Beyond Did She or Didn’t She

William Michael Dillon served 28 years of a life sentence for a murder he did not commit. The State of Florida set him free when DNA testing proved he was not linked to a key piece of evidence. He is now a singer and songwriter whose work was inspired by his long incarceration in one of the nation’s most dangerous prisons. Bill regularly plays in the Exoneree Band which headlines at innocence conferences around the country. Here’s an episode featuring Bill’s story:

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

Wrongfully Convicted: William Dillon and His Life in Prison

Ronald Keine is an exonerated death row inmate who was just 9 days from his execution when the actual murderer confessed to the crime. Today, he is on the Board of Directors for Witness to Innocence, an anti-death penalty organization whose leading voice is that of exonerated death row survivors. You’ll see him comfortably on stage advocating for the cause. Here’s an episode featuring Ronald’s story:

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

Firing Squads and Lethal Injections: Is Today’s Death Penalty Cruel and Unusual?

“This is a healing place” – Dr. Roger A. Mitchell Jr.

Dr. Roger A. Mitchell Jr. called the annual conference a healing place during his keynote address. Although this was my first time there, I completely agree. From what I saw, exonerees often remain traumatized for many years after their release. This unique conference provides a safe place for exonerees and their families. I observed numerous emotional conversations. Some had tears and others had anger. 

Perhaps the best part of the conference is the immense support everyone receives. If you need to talk, there are plenty of kind souls to talk to. If you need encouragement, there’s always a round of applause at the ready. If you need legal resources, there are facilitators everywhere. 

“The better part of one’s life consists of his friendships.” – Abraham Lincoln

It was really great to catch up with our friends at the California Innocence Project. We have been working with them to create a new podcast (soon to launch). This new show, hosted by Michael Semanchik, will be about how innocent people get ensnared in our criminal justice system as well as what it takes to free them. The show will also feature exoneree stories in their own voices. This project has been an enlightening experience. Thank you to everyone who has lent their time and expertise.

Our Friends from CIP:

• Justin Brooks – Director
• Michael Semanchik – Managing Attorney
• Alex Simpson – Associate Director
• Alissa Bjerkhoel – Litigation Coordinator
• Raquel Cohen – Staff Attorney and Volunteer Coordinator
• Audrey McGinn – Staff Attorney
• Jasmin Harris – Associate Director of Development and Policy
• Claudia Salinas – Staff Fellow
• Sydnie Mitchell – Staff Fellow
• Jan Stiglitz – Co-Founder Emeritus

For many attendees, this year’s legal tech gathering was their first in-person industry conference since before the COVID pandemic began. And while this year’s TechShow presented some of the best in diverse session topics, notable guest speakers and good exhibitor attendance, perhaps the greatest takeaway for everyone was simply the reconnection. 

After two long years apart, the excitement and energy at this year’s conference was almost tangible. It was an opportunity to reconnect with colleagues, partners, industry professionals and friends. And the feeling of being together again was truly second-to-none. 

The pandemic seemingly made us forget how fulfilling it is to network in-person with aligned industry professionals. Being back at this year’s TechShow helped remind everyone that there’s really no substitute to fostering new face-to-face community relationships, generating new business through impromptu conversations or obtaining invaluable learning through genuine discussions with other like-minded business leaders.

In addition to the joy of reconnecting, another notable component of ABA TechShow 2022 was its incredible programs agenda and diverse roster of speakers. This year’s conference featured several prominent speakers and hosts, as well as a wide range of engaging session topics. Session topics centered around the most useful and practical technologies available to legal professionals to help maintain, grow and advance their practices. 

This year’s TechShow was all about reconnecting…and remembering the importance and value these conference connections bring. 

If you weren’t able to make this year’s show, Legal Talk Network has a range of great episodes available with highlights from this year’s speakers and sessions. Listen to all of the episodes on our “On The Road” podcast!

“On The Road” Podcast – Highlights from ABA TechShow 2022:

• What Legal Can Learn from Other Industries – Jack Newton ( CEO and Founder of Clio) and Kimberly Bennett (founder of K Bennett Law LLC) chat about improving law firm businesses by analyzing innovations in adjacent realms of industry. – host Joe Patrice (Senior Editor at Above the Law and Managing Director at RPN)

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2022: What Legal Can Learn from Other Industries

• Executing Your Marketing Plan – Jeana Goosman (Founder, CEO and Managing Partner of the Goosmann Law Firm) and Conrad Saam (Founder of Mockingbird Marketing) share tips for developing the right marketing plan for your law firm. – host Gyi Tsakalakis (Founder of AttorneySync)

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2022: Executing Your Marketing Plan

• 60 in 60 –  Gyi Tsakalakis (Founder of AttorneySync) and Jeannine Lambert discuss the best of “60 Sites,” “60 Tips,” and latest hot tech for legal. – host John Strohmeyer (Founder and Attorney of Strohmeyer Law)

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2022: 60 in 60

• Modernizing Court Technology with Judge Scott Schlegel – Judge Scott Schlegel shares essential technology tips for facilitating virtual court proceedings, how they’re doing now and what tech was most helpful along the way. – host Joe Patrice (Senior Editor at Above the Law and Managing Director at RPN)

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2022: Modernizing Court Technology with Judge Scott Schlegel

• Come Play in the Sandbox – How to Advance Legal Services Through Regulation – Lori Gonzalez (Founder and CEO of Rayna Corp.) and Damien Riehl (technology lawyer and VP of Fastcase) share highlights from their presentation on regulatory reform and its potential impacts for longstanding access to justice concerns. – host Laurence Colletti (producer at Legal Talk Network)

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2022: Come Play in the Sandbox – How to Advance Legal Services Through Regulation

• Utilizing Tech to Replace or Improve Admin Work – Ivy Grey (VP of Strategy and Business Development for WordRake) and Jon Tobin (Founder and Partner of Counsel for Creators) discuss admin efficiencies all lawyers need. – host John Strohmeyer (Founder and Attorney of Strohmeyer Law)

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2022: Utilizing Tech to Replace or Improve Admin Work

Many good appeals have been lost because of counsel’s failure to preserve the record. It is essential to understand how best to preserve issues for appellate review and which issues have a greater chance of reversal. In this week’s episode of “The Jury is Out” host, John Simon, sits down with experienced industry professionals Richard Finneran (partner with the BCLP Law Firm) and Joan M. Lockwood (attorney with Gray Ritter Graham) to discuss just this and more. 

The Jury is Out

EP309 – Appellate Law Part One with Joan Lockwood and Rich Finneran

PRESERVING THE RECORD FOR APPEAL

The first step in preserving legal issues for appellate review is to be thinking about it. “I think it’s an important thing to think about throughout any stage of litigation. [It is important] to be looking out for those issues that could become appellate issues, and making sure you’re preserving them successfully for appeal,” says Richard Finneran. Even the sharpest minds and best honesd rhetoric cannot revive a great argument that has not been properly preserved for appellate review. So, how best can counsel anticipate and preserve issues for appeal? 

In their discussion, Finneran and Lockwood explain, generally, to preserve an issue or argument for appeal, trial counsel must both:

• Raise the argument or objection on the record or formally in writing
• Provide specific and precise reasons for the argument or objection, so that the trial court may rule on it

The key I think is to be prepared to take the necessary steps to make sure that you’ve got your objections on the record in a concise and businesslike way, and that you’ve made the appropriate offers of proof. – Joan Lockwood

One of the most fundamental adages of appellate review is “if it’s not on the record, it doesn’t exist.” Without a record, there is simply nothing to review. It is essential, therefore, to make sure that the case record is full and complete.

Creating a strong record and appropriately preserving all potential issues for appeal is challenging, however. This record-keeping becomes especially challenging in complex litigation when trial counsel is focused on winning a trial, rather than preparing for an appeal. According to Lockwood, two good rules of thumb to remember during the trial phase is to: 

1. Object to the evidence when it comes in, and 
2. Make your offers of proof 

“…because your record on appeal relies on those components.” 

Preservation is not always easy, but without careful attention to creating and preserving the record, a future appeal may be lost before it begins. One strategy many firms implement, particularly where the likelihood of appeal is high, is to retain specialized appellate counsel at the onset of litigation. Having special, separate appellate counsel enables greater opportunity to:

• Identify and evaluate key legal issues
• Ensure that errors are preserved for appeal
• Select the most persuasive arguments for appellate review
• Refine proposed jury instructions and verdict forms

Regardless of whether separate appellate counsel is retained, trial counsel should be mindful of an appellate strategy throughout all stages of litigation and adjust it as needed. 

WRITING AN EFFECTIVE APPELLATE BRIEF

Once you’ve reached the appeal stage, though, and are filing an appellate brief, what is the most effective way to do this? 

There are several strategies to keep in mind when writing a brief – and several mistakes many lawyers make when submitting an appeal. “…One of the most common mistakes [trial lawyers] make [when filing for appeal] is [including too many different points]. And by doing that, you’re taking away from your ability to really place the emphasis on the top 1 – 2 issues that have a genuine chance of getting a reversal,” says Rich Finneran.

It is important to be selective regarding the legal arguments that you include in your brief. Weak arguments can detract from your overall credibility, and the credibility of your brief and strength of your arguments. “Your credibility can vanish if you go in with too many issues to argue – whether it’s an appellate brief or something you’re doing in the trial court,” says John Simon. And credibility is important – especially when it comes to convincing a judge on appeal.

“You have to present yourself as someone who is giving the judges a genuine explanation of why there was an error [in the lower court] or why there wasn’t…And if you are perceived as someone that is just throwing [the kitchen sink at them] to see what sticks, then you’re not going to be effective in convincing the judges on your most important points.”

In addition to focusing your brief on the top 1 -2 major issues, Rich, Joan and John provide some other insightful key strategies to writing an effective and impactful appellate brief.

1. Know your audience

Most appeals are read and analyzed by more than one judge, in addition to their research staff. It is helpful, therefore, to put yourself in the judges’ shoes and focus on the information the judges want (and need) to hear in order to make the best decision possible. Because judges will not spend as much time on the case as you and will likely not know the legal topic as well as you, it is important that the brief educates while also persuading.

2. Keep it simple

Judges are extremely busy, and are often reviewing several briefs a day. Thus, it is important to keep the issue and arguments simple – regardless of the complexity of a case. The issue(s) and arguments in a brief should be presented in a clear and concise manner, and in a way that is easily understandable.

3. Make it compelling

When writing an effective and persuasive appellate brief, you must earn your audience’s attention. One of the best ways to do this is by structuring a persuasive statement of facts. 

Statement of Facts

“The statement of facts is the best place to win your case and there are a couple reasons for that: 1) It’s a chance to tell the story and 2) it reduces cognitive blow to the judge…When you tell a good story, it makes the important issues become more vivid and easier to remember and understand.”

The statement of facts should not simply be a recited dry list described in chronological order, but rather a compelling, narrative of the facts. “You’ve got to tell the story, you’ve got to make it interesting, you’ve got to capture the reader’s attention and engage them with your statement of facts.” – Joan Lockwood

4. Know the rules

“[The] first rule of appellate brief writing is to study those rules,” says Joan. Be sure to know the standard of review that the court will use to decide your case. 

“There’s a technical component and nontechnical component to brief writing…[while not exciting] the rules of brief writing are critical. Noncompliance can result in the loss of an argument or dismissal of the appeal.” – Joan. As such, your arguments should always be drafted in light of the relevant standard of review.

5. Be honest and acknowledge unfavorable law and facts
6. Provide solid legal support, but do no overwhelm the court with needless legal authority
7. Have a strong, clear conclusion 

CONCLUSION

There are several components that go into filing a successful appeal. From effectively preserving the record to writing a persuasive brief, the ‘road to reversal’ is not an easy one for trial counsel. Not to mention, the overall industry statistics for case appeals are low. According to an Emory University study approximately: 

• 6.6% of Criminal Cases are reversed on Appeal
• 11% – 14% Civil Cases are reversed on Appeal

Given this, it’s good to keep in mind that ‘reversal is a rare thing to occur’. And while reversal may be difficult, effectively preserving the record and writing a thoughtful and persuasive brief greatly increases these chances of a successful appeal.

For more information and expert advice on appellate law, be sure to listen to the second episode in this two part series: The Jury is Out: ‘Ep. 310 – Appellate Law Part Two with Joan Lockwood and Rich Finneran’

The Jury is Out

EP310 – Appellate Law Part Two with Joan Lockwood and Rich Finneran

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Produced by the Legal Services Corporation, the podcast features a rotating lineup of hosts covering civil legal aid funding and access to justice.

LSC views the podcast as a way to better communicate with legal aid providers and with public officials, the public, and the business community.

LSC President Ronald Flagg, a regular podcast host, is particularly interested in amplifying unexpected voices, including sports figures and business leaders. 

The most recent discussion focuses on why access to justice matters to American business.

In the episode, Flagg speaks with Merck & Co. Chairman Kenneth C. Frazier, Home Depot General Counsel Teresa Wynn Roseborough, Carlyle Group co-founder David M. Rubenstein, and Hewlett-Packard Enterprise Chief Operating Officer John F. Schultz. 

“People don’t expect CEOs of Fortune 100 companies and a chairman of one of the most significant capital companies in the world to have an interest in civil legal aid, but they do,” Flagg says.

Launched in August 2020, Talk Justice regularly features politicians, bar leaders, judges, and legal services providers on the front lines of the access to justice crisis.

Communications through the podcast and webinars ramped over the last year as the pandemic thrust poverty law issues into the spotlight. Access to healthcare, unemployment, housing, and domestic violence issues are all longtime civil legal aid matters. But the pandemic focused national attention from key policymakers and media in new ways.  

Plus, with mass job losses, many more Americans found they needed and qualified for legal aid. Access to civil justice became a topic of conversation among a wider audience.

Talk Justice, Flagg says, is a vehicle for alerting policymakers to what’s happening in on the ground. At the same time, the podcast helps LSC share successful strategies and tactics with providers. 

The first Talk Justice episode on the Legal Talk Network was published on Aug. 10, covering President Biden’s executive order re-establishing the White House Legal Aid Interagency Roundtable. 

Upcoming shows will feature topics covering the pandemic’s impact on the opioid crisis and recovery community. Another show will feature how state attorneys general can more effectively work with legal aid providers to serve low-income Americans.

Hit play to listen to the most recent episodes

Talk Justice, An LSC Podcast

Why Civil Legal Aid and Access to Justice Are Important to American Business

Talk Justice, An LSC Podcast

What to Expect from the Relaunch of the DOJ’s Office for Access to Justice

On Legal Talk Today, Laurence Colletti takes us behind the scenes with Prof. Jon Garon to discuss Scarlett Johansonn’s breach of contract suit against Disney for its simultaneous release of the movie Black Widow.

Garon identifies the strengths and weaknesses of the case and whether the law and her lawyers will be able to avenge her losses. He also places bets on what impact the litigation will have on Hollywood contracts.

Legal Talk Today

Black Widow vs. Disney

The politics of sexual harassment

High-level, high-profile sexual harassment allegations are abundant, regardless of one’s political party. Just for starters, think Andrew Cuomo.

In a fascinating interview about why we do or don’t believe victims, Lawyer 2 Lawyer host Craig Williams interviews Syracuse University Prof. Rebecca Ortiz. 

The two discuss which party is more likely to pressure accused leaders to step down and face consequences, and how entrenched party loyalties play a role in victim-blaming.

Ortiz shares her latest research on willingness to blame and explains social identity and how social identity threats impact a willingness to believe or blame a victim.

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

Sexual Harassment & Politics

Self-help tools for complex legal matters

The Scarlett Johansonns of the world have the means to afford legal teams for whatever legal dispute comes their way. The Sonja Ebrons? Not so much. 

Ebron speaks with Legal Rebels Podcast host Lyle Moran about the personal legal battles she experienced that led her to launch Courtroom5, an online tool that supports pro se litigants as they navigate complex civil matters.

While there are many online self-help tools for small claims and traffic matters, Ebron explains she saw a void when it came to tools for fighting debt collection, child custody matters, medical malpractice, and other complex cases.

ABA Journal: Legal Rebels

This online platform aims to help pro se litigants with complex civil cases

10 tips for better electronic evidence reporting

Lawyers tend to use jargon like it’s a second language. Add in expert reports to legal matters, and the issue of clarity can be exacerbated exponentially.

Craig Ball addresses his ESI pet peeves on Digital Detectives by sharing ten tips for creating more useful reports that lead to better comprehension by the non-experts in the room.

First tip on the list: Answer the question you were hired to answer. By this, Ball explains to Sharon Nelson and John Simek that it’s important to frame the answer in a way that makes sense to the lawyers and those who will be reviewing reports in court.

Digital Detectives

Ten Tips for Better ESI Expert Reports from Craig Ball

Risks and expected insurance claims involved with the 5G rollout

As greater access to broadband comes in the form of enhanced mobile capacity through 5G, infrastructure is building in states, counties, cities, and neighborhoods across the country.

Best’s Insurance Law Podcast host John Czuba interviews governmental regulatory lawyer Michael Watza about potential health risks of small-cell transmitters placed in populated areas. 

Watza explains why many believe that radio frequency health claims will arise involving cell phones and new towers.

Best’s Insurance Law Podcast

How the Rollout of 5G Could Affect Insurance Claims

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If everyone thinks the same way, creative solutions may be elusive.

Haley Moss speaks to the issue of neurodiversity in her book, “Great Minds Think Differently: Neurodiversity for Lawyers and Other Professionals.”

In a Modern Law Library interview, host Lee Rawles and Moss discuss how the best, most effective teams, bring different types of problem solvers to the table.

Modern Law Library

How neurodiverse lawyers can thrive in the profession–and change it for the better

How (not) to respond to bad reviews

No matter how many cautionary tales, inevitably, there’s a real-world example of how not to respond to negative online reviews.

Gyi Tskakalakis and Conrad Saam beat this drum fairly regularly on Lunch Hour Legal Marketing. 

Responding to a bad rating with privileged information is one way to get bar authorities on your case. And responding with a lawsuit is another way to amplify the bad experience a customer was complaining about. 

So what should lawyers do? Gyi’s and Conrad’s advice is more nuanced than, “If you don’t have anything positive to say, don’t say anything at all.”

There are ethically acceptable response options. As important, fixing any issues that may have led to the negative review.

Lunch Hour Legal Marketing

Bad Reviews and the Marketing Vacuum

Document automation and happy clients

Clients can be unhappy about any number of issues. Communication is often at the core. So is receiving a bill for a task the client thinks (or knows) can be done more quickly.

Dennis Kennedy addresses this client peeve in the context of document automation. On the Kennedy-Mighell Report, he and Tom Mighell explore this evergreen topic and the evolution of client expectations.

Kennedy-Mighell Report

I Just Wanna Automate, Automate

A2J redux at the DOJ

With the Biden administration, the pendulum is swinging back to prioritizing access-to-justice.

On Talk Justice, host Jason Tashea welcomes Rep. Mary Gay Scanlon, former DOJ official Karen Lash, and Elizabeth Werner, managing attorney at Legal Aid of West Virginia.

The four explore the renewed focus on the White House Legal Aid Interagency Roundtable, the current access-to-justice landscape, and the momentum necessary for progress.

Talk Justice, An LSC Podcast

What to Expect from the Relaunch of the DOJ’s Office for Access to Justice

Rationale behind law prof’s vaccine mandate challenge

Law firms, universities, and many other employers are rolling out vaccine mandates. The EEOC and governmental authorities have consistently blessed these moves.

So Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino at Thinking Like a Lawyer wonder out loud whether a George Mason University law prof’s challenge to his school’s mandate has any merit. Spoiler: they don’t.

The two also have some praise for Cravath when it comes to flex work. Will the move become the new flex-norm? 

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

It’s Always The Law Professors You Think It’s Going To Be

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Incoming American Bar Association President Reginald Turner joined former fellow National Bar Association President Juan Thomas about the value of mentors. Turner also shared his vision for his ABA presidential year and called for young lawyers to get involved with the ABA.

On the Road

NCBP 2021: DEI – Does Your Seat at the Table Change the View?

A moment with the most potential?

Michigan Chief Justice Bridget Mary McCormack shares why she’s optimistic there’s momentum for change to address unmet legal needs.

McCormack tells former Washington State Bar Association President Patrick Palace about how she walked out of law school into an access-to-justice crisis. Yet, 30 years later, stats are frustratingly similar.

So why is she optimistic that the legal profession is on the precipice of real change? McCormack says there’s a confluence of activity responsible for her optimism.

Even before the pandemic, progress was percolating in the form of reregulation and legal technology. Then the pandemic forced a reluctant profession to innovate, almost overnight.

Although lawyers can “resist change like a boss,” McCormack explains to Palace that the pandemic taught them that it’s possible to develop new skills, collaborate, and rely on other stakeholders. 

On the Road

NCBP 2021: Setting Standards and Measuring Your Bar’s Success

Sandbox state of play

With the nationwide access-to-justice crisis worsening and exacerbated by the pandemic, more eyes are on states like Utah, which is at the forefront of legal regulatory change.

Tom Rombach and Joe Sullivan–former Michigan and Montana bar presidents–interview Utah Justice Deno Himonas about his state’s efforts to address the access to justice gap. 

Himonas provides an overview of changes to paralegal licensing, limited practice for those with master’s of law, regulatory reform, Utah’s unique sandbox approach, and an upcoming overhaul of the civil small claims process.

The three discuss the disconnect between public needs and the protectionist reaction from rank and file bar members. But Himonas explains how evidence is growing that opening up the market, and increasing access, is also providing more opportunities for lawyers.

On the Road

NCBP 2021: Mandatory Bars and Regulatory Sandboxes

Shaping the future 

As much as many would like things to go back to a pre-pandemic normal, there are lessons to be learned and ways bar groups can better serve their members.

Jayne Reardon, executive director of the Illinois Supreme Court Commission on Professionalism, speaks with bar leaders Bill Bay and Laura Farber about insights from the ABA’s “Practicing Law in the Pandemic and Moving Forward” survey and report. 

They discussed key findings, including that:

• More than half of lawyers surveyed work from home 100% of the time.
• Most lawyers surveyed are feeling overwhelmed.
• There is worry about job security and client access.
• Billable hour pressure added to the stress.
• Lawyers with children, especially women, were struggling and considering leaving the profession.

Farber and Bay also shared a key takeaway: Bar groups need to learn what they’re seeing and experiencing from their members.

On the Road

NCBP 2021: Shaping the Future in the Legal Profession

More LTN Special Reports

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Several recent Legal Talk Network episodes take deep dives into day-to-day tools and law practice management practices. Topics cover: building custom estate documents, developing tags for easier information retrieval, and managing trust accounts to reduce risk.

On New Solo, estate planning lawyer Marie Stockton shares why she’s focused so much of her time and attention making sure her clients can and want to read some of the most important documents they’ll ever sign. 

She and host Adriana Linares talk about the shift from WordPerfect to Microsoft Word, creating styles for formatting, and the importance of font choice.

New Solo

Becoming A Master of Microsoft Word

Digitizing information is just one part of creating a nimble work environment. But just because everything is in a digital format doesn’t mean it’s easy to find. 

On the Kennedy-Mighell Report, Tom Mighell and Dennis Kennedy talk tagging, offering a lesson in data organization.

Kennedy-Mighell Report

Tagging Your Way to Productivity

Money management is tough enough. But when money management involves client funds, lawyers need to be extra sure they have systems in place to protect clients and themselves.

On Digital Edge, hosts Sharon Nelson and Jim Calloway welcome Nota’s Paul Garibian to talk about common mistakes that can put bar licenses at risk and the latest best practices to keep accounts above board.

The Digital Edge

Overcoming Trust Account Management Challenges

Managing stress in uncertain times

If talk of tech competencies has your head spinning, Litigation Radio’s latest episode may help.

Host Dave Scriven-Young interviews Dr. Deborah Topol and Lawrence Rosenberg, co-authors of the “Trial Lawyers Guide to Success and Happiness.” They discuss coping strategies and ways to relieve stress.

And segment host-Darryl Wilson offers practice advice during periods of uncertainty.

Litigation Radio

Stress

Public personas on trial 

Are rap artists less likely to get a fair trial? Before learning about “Rap on Trial: A Legal Guide for Attorneys,” I hadn’t realized how lyrics are used against aspiring rappers.

So are lyrics autobiographical confessions or art? Dr. Charis Kubrin explains the shortcuts prosecutors use when “gangster rap” is in play. Kubrin discusses research in this area of rap, bias, and First Amendment implications.

Legal Talk Today

Rap on Trial

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Persistence pays off

When you know you’re right and everyone tells you you’re wrong, what do you do? If you’re Janine Sickmeyer, you move to the next conversation. You find a community of visionaries and bootstrap your dream into a reality.

Sickmeyer, the founder of bankruptcy software company NextChapter, faced rejection after rejection. All the while, she plugged away at developing a product she knew had a place in the bankruptcy market. Even when the influx of bankruptcy matters didn’t materialize during the pandemic, NextChapter thrived, growing at a steady clip and eventually snapped up by Fastcase.

Sickmeyer shares her founder story with Legal Rebels podcast host Lyle Moran. Hear about her dev-to-rev strategy. She shares her angle investor focus and the 82 times she pitched to investors only to be turned away.

ABA Journal: Legal Rebels

How one bankruptcy software company had a banner year despite filings hitting a low

Texas politics translated 

On Legal Talk Today, UT Texas School of Law Prof Randall Erben breaks down the unique constitutional provisions that have empowered Texas Democrats to break quorum by fleeing to the nation’s capital.

Erben and host Laurence Colletti discuss what “arrest” means in this context. And Prof. Erben predicts how this Texas standoff will end.

Legal Talk Today

House Arrest!

Combating homelessness coast to coast

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter created a stir when he ordered Los Angeles to not only find housing for the rising population of homeless but audit spending. 

Lawyer 2 Lawyer host Craig Williams interviews UCLA School of Law’s Gary Blas and the ACLU’s Breanne Schuster. They discuss the legal issues at play, separation of powers, current legislation, and approaches being tried across the country.

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

The Legal Issues Surrounding Homelessness

Client experience reframed

On the Lawyerist podcast, Canadian lawyer Spencer Keys shares his experience buying a firm straight out of law school, then rejuvenating the small estate-planning practice. 

He shares how he focused the firm on client service, starting with breaking from tradition and choosing an approachable name for his firm, Charthouse Lawyers. 

Keys is humble as he explains his trial and tribulations. Because there’s no “magic management” book, Keys is fine experimenting with approaches to find better ways to reach and serve clients.

Lawyerist Podcast

#338: Reframing Your Client Experience, with Spencer Keys

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Folks love to share their favorite reads. They seem to equally enjoy seeing what books are on the reading lists of their friends and professional associates. Confession: I save all those lists, and now I’m swimming a sea of too many good choices. 

That said, I’m always up for a new list. So I was happy to see that, keeping with tradition, Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell broke from their legal tech discussion to talk books and reading habits. Well, they mostly broke from the tech part. No surprise, they snuck in mention of second-brain reading enhancers such as Readwise, the low-cost subscription service Scribd, and Libby’s underappreciated e-library app. 

Kennedy and Mighell explain how their reading habits have changed from paper to digital to audio and now a mix of all three formats. Still up for debate: Is watching a video the same as reading a book?

They share more than 18 books – everything from sci-fi to non-fiction brain health – that are on their next-up or must-read lists.

Kennedy-Mighell Report

Essential Summer Reading Lists for 2021

On the topic of books for lawyers, Modern Law Library host Lee Rawles interviews the author of “Vice Patrol: Cops, Courts, and the Struggle Over Urban Gay Life Before Stonewall.”

Author Anna Lvovsky shares the history of police entrapment, decoys, and other enforcement tactics aimed at criminalizing and suppressing queer communities from the 1930s through the 1960s.

Modern Law Library

‘Vice Patrol’ examines how police and courts enforced anti-gay laws before Stonewall

Crime app publishes bounty and false arson accusation identifying homeless man

Amateur sleuthing is all fun and intellectual intrigue until the sheriff picks up a homeless man and questions him before realizing he really isn’t the one who sparked a large Los Angeles-area brushfire. Unfortunately, the $30,000 bounty on his head turned out to be a false accusation. Yikes. 

Legal Talk Today’s Laurene Colletti interviews Dr. Sarah Lageson from Rutgers University School of Criminal Justice to talk about armchair investigators, how they help the police break cold cases, and what happens when things go horribly wrong.

Legal Talk Today

Citizen Sleuths

Peaceful protests, anti-riot bills, and the First Amendment

To date, 34 states have introduced more than 80 bills to regulate rioters/protesters. 

On Lawyer 2 Lawyer, Craig Williams interviews Jeff Lewis, from Jeff Lewis Law, to discuss how states regulate protests through new anti-mob legislation, the First Amendment implications, and how those who are protesting are impacted. 

On the same topic thread, Legal Talk Today’s Colletti homes in on Florida’s anti-riot legislation during a discussion with Kirk Bailey of the Florida ACLU.

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

States Regulating Protests

Legal Talk Today

Florida’s Anti-Riot Bill

Niche practice: Rideshare insurance claims and defense

Rideshare litigation is a relatively new practice area. But it covers an area experiencing exponential growth. Add to that the complexities of rideshare claims, and it’s no surprise that firms have developed specialties in this developing practice area.

On Best’s Insurance Law Podcast, Thomas Brown and Patrick Delong of Marshall Dennehey Warner Coleman & Goggin, explain how rideshare cases differ from other auto cases. They discuss the complex new claims, including negligent platform design, and defenses that have emerged.

Best’s Insurance Law Podcast

The Complexity of Rideshare Claims

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Produced monthly, shows are carefully planned to cover what it’s like to be a litigator, from finding purpose to understanding the history, nuances, and controversies of attorney-client privilege.

With Chicago-based litigator Dave Scriven-Young as host, Litigation Radio seeks to go beyond sharing substantive information and instead reveal the people, struggles and successes that make up a long-term litigation practice. 

Scriven-Young’s interview with veteran litigator and author Edna Selan Epstein is a case in point.

Rather than focus exclusively on Epstein’s respected work and study of attorney-client privilege, Scriven-Young’s wide-ranging interview covers Epstein’s fascinating background as a young mother pursuing a law degree during a time of political upheaval. 

“We try to find the best guests possible who have interesting stories to tell, great information to share, or perspectives that are not widely shared,” says Scriven-Young, who honed his podcast skills as host of the Lawyer Lifestyle Podcast. 

Following Scriven-Young’s interviews, segment host Darryl Wilson provides practical tips on topics related to the particular episode’s interview subject. 

The show, produced by the ABA’s Litigation Section with Legal Talk Network, is aimed at litigators at all practice levels, age groups, and practice settings, emphasizing helping litigators develop “sustainable practices.”

“There have been too many stories about litigators burning out, having health concerns, and leaving the law,” Scriven-Young says. “So the podcast will strive to devote episodes to support litigators who are dealing with these issues.”

Wilson says the podcast is taking a holistic approach to life as a litigator. 

“The podcast will have episodes that cover both professional and personal life balances to create the best litigators,” he says. “The episodes will cover many different themes that lawyers encounter in the profession and offer practical tips to help lawyers ‘sustain’ their practice and be the best version of themselves.”

Check out the shows to date

Litigation Radio

Trial by Zoom

Litigation Radio

The Curmudgeon’s Guide to Practicing Law

Litigation Radio

Discovering Your Purpose

Litigation Radio

Attorney Client Privilege with Edna Epstein

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There’s a reason why Sonia Russo and Mathew Kerbis come across as practiced broadcast professionals. 

For the show, Russo is tapping into her experience as an FM radio reporter and producer. And Kerbis is a litigator experienced with speaking to different audiences. Not to mention he has a background in voice acting and improv. 

The two create natural chemistry as they shift between Russo’s narratives featuring people and issues useful to young lawyers and Kerbis’s regular segment, the “Financial Wellness Minute.”

The show serves a niche that the creators from the ABA Young Lawyers Division saw missing for the audience of newly minted lawyers. While numerous shows feature interviews and advice for lawyers, including young lawyers, much of the advice comes from academics or lawyers decades removed from law school. The market, competition, and law practice dynamics have changed. So has the population. 

“Advice for young lawyers can sound like one thing coming from a lawyer who’s been in practice for 30 years and might not even really remember what it’s like to be starting out,” says Russo, a healthcare fraud prosecutor in Denver. “It’s different for that advice to come from us, from our peers.”

Kerbis, a civil litigation associate at Condon & Cook in Chicago, adds that while many young lawyers are podcasting for business development, this show explicitly benefits young lawyers. 

Young Lawyer Rising features stories and experiences each month from everyday lawyers discussing issues that impact the entire profession. Russo explains she wants to tell stories that help even one person with something they’re dealing with right now. “I’m interested in having real discussions and telling real stories about the tough issues we’re dealing with and how we can navigate those rapids and emerge on the other side stronger,” she says.

Russo won’t shy away from difficult conversations either. Topics include civility, challenges the profession throws at working parents, student debt pressures, finances, and retirement planning. An upcoming episode is featuring racism, with painful stories from those interviewed on the show. To Russo, the show creates an opportunity to share diverse voices on any number of topics, including diversity, equity and inclusion. 

“I’m a woman of color, so focusing on diversity, equity, and inclusion just some of the time isn’t possible for me because I live with these issues all day, every day,” Russo says. “I don’t get to temporarily take a break from being a woman or having brown skin, so I bring this perspective to all of the stories I tell through this podcast, not just the stories that are explicitly related to diversity, equity, and inclusion.”

Because the show is monthly, the creators ask listeners to subscribe, so they automatically receive notices once new episodes are released. 

The first two programs covered toxic people and civility and career-advancing lessons learned from the pandemic.

Young Lawyer Rising

Civility

Young Lawyer Rising

COVID

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Independent filmmaker Ginny Mohler came across the story of “dial painters” while researching the Manhattan Project. The result: “Radium Girls,” a tragic story of teenage watch dial painters of the Roaring Twenties.

Workers Comp Matters hosts Judson and Alan Pierce interviewed Mohler because the dial painters case involved an early workplace safety and occupational health issue. The wristwatch painters sued after becoming ill, many years after their factory jobs had them using their mouths to narrow the tips of their paintbrushes as they worked.

Warning: For those adding “Radium Girls” to their must-see lists, there are spoilers in the episode. Also listen for thought-provoking discussions about the state of workplace safety and seemingly timeless labor v. employer issues.

Workers Comp Matters

Extraordinary Courage in the Face of Injustice

Press freedom under attack

When we read about mass demonstrations or catch glimpses of them on the news, it’s important to recognize that there are reporters on the streets observing and gathering the information we’re seeing, reading, and hearing.

Yet, there’s an undeniable increase in reporters targeted for arrest. In 2020, the U.S. Press Freedom Tracker verified at least 930 press freedom incidents in 79 cities since May 25, 2020, when Minneapolis police killed George Floyd. And 139 journalists were arrested or detained. 

On Lawyer 2 Lawyer, host Craig Williams tackles the topic of press freedom and special rights afforded to journalists working to gather and disseminate information. His guests explain the role of the reporter and individuals involved in demonstrations that are recording their experiences. 

Shannon Jankowski, of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and David Bralow, of the Press Freedom Defense Fund, speak with Wiliams about the lack of public trust journalists face and the rights of individuals to film police.

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

Journalists, Protests, Law Enforcement, and Freedom of the Press

Legal-adjacent careers on the rise

Because of a paradigm shift in the delivery of legal services, many traditional paths to legal careers are on shaky ground. During this change, a new set of legal career options is emerging. 

On the latest Kennedy-Mighell Report, hosts Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell discuss the growth of legal-adjacent careers and alternative ways law degrees open up opportunities.

These jobs aren’t just for new grads. Kennedy and Mighell explain how seasoned lawyers are also finding new opportunities, leveraging their years of experience with technology and project management to manage legal operations, legal technology initiatives, litigation support, and ediscovery, among many.

Kennedy-Mighell Report

Alternative Legal Careers — New and Different Ways to Use Your Law Degree

The birth of an influencer

Speaking of legal-adjacent, how about becoming an influencer? Have you ever wondered how to build a following so large and dedicated that you can support yourself and your family?

Former prosecutor and business lawyer turned influencer Emily D. Baker did just that, amassing more than 97,000 subscribers to her YouTube channel. Baker, who promotes herself as “the badass lawyer” and “everybody’s favorite legal commentator,” also hosts a podcast, “The Emily Show.”

On these platforms, Baker breaks down complicated litigation, mainly in the pop culture realm. She discusses legal issues raised by filings. And unlike many media outlets, she follows the cases, providing updates when answers are filed, and litigation takes a turn.

Asked & Answered host Stephanie Ward interviews Baker about her plain-English approach and how she’s managed to build a following that earns her more than the salary she made as an L.A. County deputy district attorney. 

The episode is part of a special ABA Journal series about how legal professionals have adapted to law and life during the pandemic.

ABA Journal: Asked and Answered

The pandemic brought this lawyer to legal commentary, and the work includes sponsorship deals

Coming soon: Litigation Radio

On May 5, Legal Talk Network will launch yet another brand new podcast. 

Look for Litigation Radio, a podcast from the ABA’s Litigation Section. Hosts Dave Scriven-Young and Darryl Wilson will present interviews with “rockstar” litigators and cover topics involving best practices, career development, winning clients, and building sustainable practices.

Litigation Radio

Trailer

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Personal Injury lawyer and TikTok aficionado Taly Goody and lemon law lawyer and Instagram super user Michelle Fonseca-Kamana have me convinced there’s more to the platforms than clickbaity, time-sucking videos. 

Case in point, TikTok user @neurolera explains how to pretend to be American if detained by Russian police. Say, “I’m gonna call my lawyer.”

Back to New Solo. Both of these creative lawyers are using TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube in savvy ways to market their niche practices, making their presence known in engaging ways that are attracting clients and driving referrals. 

New Solo host Adriana Linares interviews the two about how they’ve added strategic scrolling to their social media habits. They share tips on creating videos and Instagram reels, including apps they use and how to respond to trolls.

New Solo

Client Acquisition in the 21st Century: With Instagram & TikTok??

Artificial intelligence, modern warfare, and national security

Speaking of new uses for new technology, Brigadier General Patrick Huston explains how artificial intelligence can save taxpayers billions of dollars simply in maintenance costs if implemented in fleets of ships, planes, helicopters, and vehicles.

Huston also debunks AI weapons myths during his wide-ranging modern military interview with Digital Detectives hosts Sharon Nelson and John Simek.

Digital Detectives

Is This How the World Ends? Artificial Intelligence and American Security

On the topic of modern warfare and national security, Lawyer 2 Lawyer tackles growing tensions between the United States and Russia. 

Host J. Craig Williams speaks with Penn Law Prof. Claire Finkelstein and Duke Law Prof. Charles J. Dunlap Jr., former U.S. Air Force deputy judge advocate general, about technology advances and the threat of cyber warfare. The three discuss the threshold for defining a cyber  “attack” and whether there’s a need to develop cyber norms.

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

Cyberwarfare, U.S./Russia Relations, and Ukraine

Time for a dose of civility in civic discourse

Props to @theBar for landing an interview with Illinois Rep. Emanuel “Chris” Welch, a veteran lawyer and history-maker as the first Black lawmaker to be speaker of the Illinois House of Representatives. 

Welch speaks with host Trisha Rich about civil discourse during a time when polarization defines politics. They also discuss Illinois’ progressive agenda, including eliminating cash bail and other criminal justice reforms.

@theBar

The Speaking of Speakers Edition: A Discussion with Illinois’ New House Speaker Emanuel “Chris” Welch

Considering the polarization of American discourse and the damage done when bullying behavior goes unchecked, it’s no wonder the ABA’s Young Lawyer’s Division launched its first podcast episode on the topic of civility. 

In the first episode of Young Lawyer Rising, host Sonia Russo discusses civility from various vantage points, with guests sharing war stories and, importantly, tactics for dealing with incivility in life and the workplace.

Young Lawyer Rising

Civility

The hard sell: subscription vs. billable hour

One way to get legal futurists to be uncivil or at least rant is to talk about the billable hour as a foundation of law practice. Yet, no matter how many experts say the billable hour should go away, it’s holding firm. 

What’s striking is that even when a boutique law firm launches to break away from the billable model, one of the options is a billable approach.

Legal Rebels Podcast host Lyle Moran interviews Joyce Tong Oelrich and Zohra Tejani, the founders of Tong Tejani. They talk about the struggle to convince technology clients that it’s in their best interests to embrace a subscription pricing model for legal services.

ABA Journal: Legal Rebels

How one firm is trying to convince technology clients to embrace subscription pricing

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I should have known better. Correia’s guest Shawn Hill of NiceJob Inc. got real when talking about reviews, why they matter, and how to turn them into marketing gold. What sticks most is Hill’s approach to reviews as a feedback engine, that when used correctly, can help improve business.

Drop in to the Legal Toolkit episode for reputation management tips, but if you want to LOL, be sure to stay for the discussion of Hill’s involvement in the origin of Gritty, the hairy orange beast that is the mascot of the Philadelphia Flyers.

Legal Toolkit

Larry Bird Stories; Getting the Reputation You Deserve; and the Rump Roast: The Gritty Origin Story

Minnesota’s unique evidence law

Dominating legal news and daily news is the Derek Chauvin murder trial in Minnesota. Given the import and complexity, Legal Talk Today is revisiting the case as the trial progresses. 

Host Laurence Colletti and regular guest David Schultz discuss the case’s nuances, including the standards of proof, what is meant by “depraved mind,” and expert witnesses’ role. 

In the April 7 episode, Schultz explains what Minnesota means by “spark of life” evidence.

Legal Talk Today

The State vs. Derek Chauvin (Part 2)

Dos and don’ts in hiring a virtual assistant

Titles and roles are changing all the time and evolve with an employee’s experience. When small firm lawyers are looking to hire, they need to appreciate the skillsets with job titles.

On the Lawyerist podcast, host Laura Briggs and Paige Atkins, operations director at Lawyerist, discuss the various skillsets and best approaches for hiring a virtual assistant.

Lawyerist Podcast

#323: Hiring a Virtual Assistant, with Paige Atkins

Books for lawyers: No, robots aren’t going to steal your jobs

AI-powered legal systems are portrayed enough in unnerving Terminator forms that it’s no wonder there’s fear when technology solutions are under consideration.

Noah Waisberg and Dr. Alexander Hudek, founders of Kira Systems, share what they’ve learned about translating nuanced legal language to machine learning and the role of artificial intelligence in improving a lawyer’s practice. 
Modern Law Library host Lee Rawles explores AI adoption in legal and the duo’s book, “AI for Lawyers: How Artificial Intelligence is Adding Value, Amplifying Expertise, and Transforming Careers.”

Modern Law Library

Increasing revenue while cutting down on billable hours? ‘AI for Lawyers’ says it’s possible

Coming Soon: ‘Young Lawyer Rising’

Look next week for a new show, Young Lawyer Rising, from the ABA’s Young Lawyer’s Divison.

Host Sonia Russo previews the new show with Matthew Kerbis, who will present a regular segment, “The Financial Wellness Minute.”

Upcoming episodes — by young lawyers, for young lawyers — will cover topics including debt and student loans, civility in the profession, racism in the profession, and law practice innovations.

Young Lawyer Rising

Trailer

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The Legal Trends Report quickly gained prominence in the industry data space at a time when lawyers were hungry for information and insights about the legal market.

The reports have expanded in scope and detail. And during the pandemic were released more frequently. Now Clio is back with targeted insights for solo practice.

On Digital Edge, Clio CEO Jack Newton shares highlights from the latest report, Legal Trends for Solo Law Firms. 

Newton discusses insights from Clio’s solo survey, how firms and clients conducted legal business during the pandemic, and what gave firms a competitive edge. 

The Digital Edge

Clio’s 2021 Legal Trends for Solo Law Firms

Spring Bonuses Are in the Air

Shifting from small firms to BigLaw behemoths, Thinking Like a Lawyer covers the spring bonus season and which firms are leading bearers of good $$ news.

Hosts Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino also tease to the forthcoming release of the U.S. News and World Report Law School rankings.

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

Springtime For Biglaw Bonuses

Why Lead Gen Isn’t a Winning Strategy

Back to competitive advantages, especially in the solo and small firm sector, the Un-Billable Hour explores why firms would be better served to focus less on lead generation and more on improving client acquisition. 

Kara Prior, the co-founder of James Publishing’s Marketing Amplifier program, shares steps lawyers can take to attract and sign the right clients using tactics such as “lead magnates” and video messaging.

Un-Billable Hour

It’s Not About the Leads, It’s What You Do With Them

Books for Lawyers, a Legal History Edition

On the Modern Law Library, host Lee Rawles interviews Jill Wine-Banks, who at 30  became an assistant Watergate special prosecutor investigating President Richard M. Nixon and later the first female general counsel of the U.S. Army.

In her memoir, “The Watergate Girl: My Fight for Truth and Justice Against a Criminal President,” Wine-Banks details the political obstruction, legal wrangling, and sexism she experienced.

The two also chat about whether we will see her candid story on the big screen since the memoir was optioned by the production company owned by actress Katie Holmes.

Modern Law Library

‘Watergate Girl’ give an inside look at special prosecution team that brought down Nixon

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ABA Techshow was one of the last in-person legal conferences in 2020 and organizers knew that this year’s show would require a new approach.

And given a global pandemic, it’s no surprise that for the first time in its 35-year history, ABA Techshow 2021 went fully virtual. 

Looking for new ways to keep a virtual audience engaged, sessions were shorter, tracks reorganized, and programs spread out six days. 

With the theme, “Technically Together,” organizers produced dozens of sessions on multiple tracks that appealed to everyone from technology newbies to futurists. 

On the Road visited with presenters following their tracks to cover their high-level messages and lessons learned.

On the Road

ABA Techshow 2021: Why Anyone Can Be a Change Agent

On the Road

ABA Techshow 2021: Finding & Scaling New Practice Areas

On the Road

ABA Techshow 2021: Creating an Ethical AI Playbook

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2021: Wrapping Your Mind Around Microsoft Teams

On the Road

ABA Techshow 2021: Startup Alley Winner

On the Road

ABA Techshow 2021: Client-Centered Growth Strategies

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2021: AI Workflows and Automation in Lieu of Human Interpretation

On the Road

ABA TECHSHOW 2021: The Inner Workings of the First-Ever Virtual TECHSHOW

On the Road

ABA Techshow 2021: Office Space Reconsidered

On the Road

ABA Techshow 2021: 7 Tech Tips in 7 Minutes

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State Bar of Texas Podcast host Rocky Dhir digs deep for as many puns as possible for his, uh hem, unfiltered interview with the cat lawyer himself and the patient judge who provided expert tech support.

Lawyer Rod Ponton and Judge Roy Ferguson talk through the kitten filter experience and keeping their cool and professionalism intact throughout.

State Bar of Texas Podcast

Texas “Cat Lawyer”: The Zoom Mishap Turned Viral Sensation

Leveraging Technology as a ‘Second Brain’

Coming up with an idea is one step. Making that idea actionable is something completely different. Over the past few months, tech enthusiasts Dennis Kennedy and Tom Mighell have explored tapping into a tech-enabled “second brain.”

In the latest Kennedy-Mighell Report, the two shift from capturing and organizing information to action. Is the tech ready yet? Mighell explains why he is skeptical that the tools aren’t quite advanced to deliver what Kennedy expects.

Kennedy-Mighell Report

Second Brain Project: Action, Part 1

Frogger and Reinvention at Work

Speaking of tapping into mental reserves, on the Lawyerist Podcast, tech company founder Josh Linkner shares tips on becoming more creative at work.

It’s the first time I’ve heard someone compare law practice to the ‘80s arcade game Frogger. But it makes sense, especially his take on reinvention. He tells teams, “Someday, a company will come and put us out of business. It might as well be us.”

Lawyerist Podcast

#318: Unlocking Creativity & Reinvention, with Josh Linkner

Inspiring Lawyers Beat: How a Pro Bono Offer Turned into a Statewide Eviction Project

Housing rights advocates and courts are grappling with a massive influx in cases involving evictions during the pandemic.

In Colorado, lawyer Zach Neumann posted on social media that he would help those facing evictions. Not surprisingly, he soon realized that the need for legal advice in this area was more than one lawyer could handle.

On the ABA Law Student Podcast, Neumann shares how his experience led him to create the COVID-19 Eviction Defense Project.

ABA Law Student Podcast

Housing and Eviction Law: Helping Tenants in the Midst of COVID-19

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Connolly shares his perspective on the potential value of defamation cases in reining in the flood of misinformation we’re seeing passed along by traditional news sources and that is particularly flourishing on social media.

These cases can play a role in “correcting the trajectory of disinformation,” Connolly tells @theBar hosts Jonathan Amarilio and Trisha Rich.

Smartmatic v. Fox News Edition isn’t the first time Connolly has taken on a large media organization. One of his most notable cases involved a suit against Disney and ABC on behalf of a company producing a processed beef product the network named “pink slime.”

To this day, Connolly won’t utter that nickname but shared the similarities in the cases, including that many of the same lawyers working on that case are on this current litigation team.

@theBar

The Smartmatic v. Fox News Edition

A SolarWinds Perspective for Law Firms

If you’re using a third party for services (Seriously though, who isn’t?), cybersecurity expert Jeffrey Wells can explain some routine ways to be sure those vendors aren’t putting you at greater risk.

On Digital Detectives, Wells disentangles the supply chain spider web. He explains how one third-party vendor relies on another and that one relies on another and so on.

It’s up to lawyers to help clients trust but verify. Verify is the keyword there. Using the SolarWinds hack as an example, Wells tells hosts John Simek and Sharon Nelson how lawyers can help clients do evaluations and how they can and should do evaluations of their own practice and firm relationships with vendors.

Digital Detectives

Occam’s Razor — A SolarWinds Perspective for Law Firms

Books for Lawyers: Death Penalty Edition

On The Modern Law Library, veteran journalist Maurice Chammah, a reporter with The Marshall Project, details his interest in the history of the death penalty with a particular emphasis on Texas aka the “epicenter” of the death penalty.

From pioneering lethal injections to far surpassing any other state in carrying out executions, Texas has maintained its position as the capital of capital punishment.

Chammah talks about his book, Let The Lord Sort Them: The Rise and Fall of the Death Penalty and this particular niche in the law. He tells host Lee Rawles how vagaries of these cases “poisons the relationships between lawyers.”

Modern Law Library

What can Texas tell us about the rise and fall of the death penalty?

What to Watch: ‘Erasing Family’

Some of the most heartrending court cases are in family court, involving divorce and separation. Activist documentary filmmaker Ginger Gentile builds on her personal family experiences to dive into life post-divorce, in which she maintains millions of Americans become erased from their families. 

Gentile speaks with Legal Talk Today host Laurence Colletti about Erasing Family and how the adversarial court system and judges without training in child psychology can exacerbate the problems.

Legal Talk Today

Erasing Family (Part 1)

Legal Talk Today

Erasing Family (Part 2)

The documentary is also streaming now on Amazon Prime and YouTube. 

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The 2021 midyear, held jointly with the National Association of Bar Executives, covered lessons learned during a year of upheaval and change.

In these special reports, hosts and guests teased out key takeaways, often pulling silver linings out of the chaos.

While programs were bar-leader-focused, the messages and tips have a broad appeal. They include advice for those looking to improve relationships with clients and the best uses of technology to more effectively conduct outreach.

Addressing the shift from in-person to virtual with the flip of a switch, Ndidi Moses and Michael Burton spoke about achieving “impossible” innovation during a crisis.

Moses, the immediate past president of the Connecticut Bar Association, and Burton, the presiding judge in St. Louis County, explained how they used design thinking to create programs and services that best served members and court services consumers’ needs.

On the Road

NCBP 2021: ‘Impossible’ Innovation During A Crisis

Connecting to Zoom and having a virtual meeting may be novel for a few minutes. But Zoom fatigue is real. Bar professional Karen Korr, of Full Korr Press, showcased some of the creative ways bar leaders kept members engaged in the bar and their communities.

Programs mentioned include:

• Sangria and Secrets with Drag Queens (New Haven)
• Friends and Family Drive-In Movie Nights (Massachusetts)
• Mask maker donation project (Baton Rouge)
• Pro bono business interruption insurance reviews (Birmingham)

On the Road

NCBP 2021: Cool Ideas to Steal

When it comes to deciding whether those pandemic-era programs were a success, metrics can play an important role. NABE president Terry Hill and IAALS researcher Logan Cornett recapped their program focused on how data can help evaluate programs.

One key takeaway is that money or the number of attendees may not be a winning metric. Along with host Patrick Palace, past president of the Washington State Bar Association, the three discussed how to identify success using data.

On the Road

NCBP 2021: Embrace Data to Measure Success

Rooting out racial bias remains a critical yet vexing problem for organizations. Following their NCBP keynote, Dana and Keith Culter shared anti-bias strategies for bar groups and tips to spot microaggressive behavior.

On the Road

NCBP 2021: Rooting Out Racial Bias

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Michelle Estlund’s blog Red Notice Law Journal introduced me to a world where criminal justice, immigration and international law intersect. 

My curiosity deepened after learning Netflix is coming out with a movie using the INTERPOL “Red Notice” flag as its title. 

Legal Talk Today host Laurence Colletti got a bunch of my questions answered when he interviewed Estlund about her practice and how Red Notices are used and abused to exile and deport. This episode easily made my top five list for the week.

Legal Talk Today

Red Notices & International Men of Mystery?

Another one not to miss: this year’s inaugural LHLM-ys, where Gyi Tsakalakis and Conrad Saam praise and roast the best and downright worst of legal marketing over the last year. There are some obvious picks. Spoiler: the gun-waiving St. Louis lawyer couple and Rudy Guiliani make appearances on this year’s list honorees. 

My favorite part of this show is that even when Gyi and Conrad are making light of a situation, they explain what makes something a marketing win or fail for lawyers. I can’t recommend this show enough for lawyers overseeing their marketing, outsourcing, or hiring a team.

Lunch Hour Legal Marketing

The First Annual LHLM-ys: And the Winner Is

The Legal Rebels podcast addresses a topic I’ve been hearing more about these days: welcoming and training new team members. It’s not uncommon to hear someone say they’ve never met their boss in person or never met the people they are managing. 

Host Lyle Moran interviews IP lawyer John Van Amsterdam about ways firms create opportunities to connect and welcome new hires in a remote work environment.

ABA Journal: Legal Rebels

Virtual onboarding has provided some unexpected benefits, firm shareholder says

Paralegal Voice host Jill Francisco also talked about the new remote environment with her guest, litigator Marc Williams.

Williams acknowledged that pre-pandemic, he would have shunned telecommuting, certainly as a full-time affair. Now? He’s in. Managing a remote team isn’t always easy. But Williams shares the advantages he’s come to appreciate.

Paralegal Voice

Navigating Law Practice Post-Pandemic

Finally this week, a new term for my vocabulary, “Reptile Theory.” This isn’t a new theory. The host and guests on Best’s Insurance Law Podcast explain it’s been around since 2009.

In this episode, lawyers in the trucking and transport industry share tips on dismantling a plaintiff’s “Reptile Theory” approach, which homes in on the emotional aspects of cases.

Best’s Insurance Law Podcast

Emerging Litigation Trends in Trucking and Transportation

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Everett tells co-host Laura Briggs how she thoughtfully picks three things she’s grateful for each day. She doesn’t pick the obvious, at least not without digging deeper into why she is grateful.

Choosing gratitude is a way Everett says legal professionals can put stressors into context.

Briggs follows with a discussion with brand expert Martin Lindstrom about teambuilding with common sense at its core. Too much focus on rules and compliance can strip an organization of a focus on common-sense solutions and approaches.

Using a personal example of a complicated hotel TV remote, Lindstrom talks about how organizations make the mistake of solving problems from the inside out. Instead, they should solve from the outside in, with an emphasis on the consumer.

Lawyerist Podcast

#312: Bringing Back Common Sense, with Martin Lindstrom

Where’s the New Hub of Activity at Law Firms and Conferences

On LTNow, Ralph Baxter, Daniel Rodriguez, and Dan Linna use their final episode hosting the podcast to explore the pandemic’s impact on law firms, law schools, and the delivery of legal services.

According to Baxter, one clear change involves the concept of a business hub. Rather than a brick and mortar place, the new hub is somewhere in the ether where colleagues, teams, and clients meet up.

Law Technology Now

Redefining the Hub

On Legal Toolkit, Jared Correia’s guest Melissa Rogozinksi also addresses the hub, this time at conferences where vendors need to engage with potential customers.

Rogozinski, CEO of RPC Strategies and the RPC Round Table, discusses how web-based legal gatherings can be more successful when conferences are presented in bite-sized pieces, with audience participation.

Legal Toolkit

Jim Carrey Should’ve Won an Oscar, Making Virtual Conferences Better, and the Rump Roast: Celebrity Nicknames

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One more for my Goodreads wish list comes from The Modern Law Library. Host Lee Rawles speaks with historian Jane Dailey, the author of “White Fright” for an unfortunately timely and relevant discussion of lynch mobs.

Rawles and Dailey discuss what a historical look at riotous groups can teach us about the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

Modern Law Library

‘White Fright’ author discusses historical lynch mobs and the attack on the Capitol

Catching up on a busy psychotic news cycle, the hosts of Thinking Like a Lawyer breathlessly take on the legal standard for “incitement,” how the 25th Amendment works, Amazon’s eviction of Parler, and a few other A1 headlines.

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

Coup Coup Ka-Choo

With pages and news sites filled to the brim with riots, political infighting, and the political reckoning corporations are facing, there are plenty of important developments flying under the radar.

The Robert Half Legal Report focuses on an under-reported London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR), the primary interest rate benchmark used by the financial services industry for more than 35 years. Host Charles Volkert and Doug Wilbert, a managing director of Protiviti, to discuss legal implications of a transition of the United Kingdom’s Financial Conduct Authority ceases publication of LIBOR by Dec. 31, 2021 as currently expected.

The Legal Report from Robert Half

What Legal Teams Need to Know about the LIBOR Transition

Before you leave 2020 in the dust, the hosts of Lunch Hour Legal Marketing are asking for nominations for the good, the bad and the ugly of legal marketing.

Follow this link to nominate the following for the 2020 LHLM-ys:

• Legal Ad of the Year
• Worst Legal Ad
• Best Ad – Comedy
• Out of the Box
• Best Legal Website
• Best Use of Social Media
• Best Vendor You Can’t Live Without

Lunch Hour Legal Marketing

The Marketing Crystal Ball Says…

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Thumbnail image: “White Fright: The Sexual Panic at the Heart of America’s Racist History” book jacket via Basic Books.

On Thinking Like a Lawyer, hosts Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino discuss top stories covered by Above the Law, from bar exams and bar privilege to lawyers – celebrated and notorious – making headlines. 

On Legal Talk Today, host Laurence Colletti speaks with Legaltech News Editor Zach Warren to also highlight top law-related stories. Their discussion covers a range of topics, from civil rights and censorship to risk management at firms covered by Warren and his colleagues at American Lawyer Media.

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

Finally, We’re Finished With 2020

Legal Talk Today

2020 Year in Review with ALM

What’s in Store for Firms in 2021?

Acknowledging that it’s pretty risky these days to attempt predictions, Digital Edge hosts Jim Calloway and Sharon Nelson discuss what they believe the legal industry will face in 2021. Will office life return to normal? Will ransomware remain a threat?

The Digital Edge

What’s on the Horizon for Law Firms in 2021?

Hope for the Best. Plan for the Worst 

With the pandemic raging and vaccines for most of us months away, planning is tricky. Yet, planning is critical for a business to not only survive but to thrive beyond the crisis. On The Un-Billable Hour, Erik Pickering, president of Tracers, who has a background in data research for Bridgewater Associates, spoke about common mistakes and the keys to effective planning during a time of market uncertainty.

Un-Billable Hour

Data Is Such a Powerful Tool

Leaving the Law to Follow a Dream

On Lawyer 2 Lawyer, host Craig Williams interviews Jodi Ettenberg, who left her career in law to pursue a passion for world travel. A decade later, she hasn’t looked back. She talks with Williams about her travels, her writing, and the spinal tap that changed her life.

Lawyer 2 Lawyer

Taking a Different Path-Leaving the Law and Finding your Passion

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First, the news…

Firms gave bonuses. One U.S. senator moves to block legislation that would increase physical and data privacy protections for federal judges. These are two top stories discussed on Thinking Like a Lawyer. 

Above the Law’s Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino talk about the New York Times Style article in support of second chances for legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. Patrice’s rebuttal is here. They close with the latest barpocalypse development, with California flagging a third of test-takers as possible cheaters.

Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

No Second ‘Chances’

Santa on IP, Contracts, Elf Diet, and Alexa

Speaking of knowing when you’ve been cheating, specifically whether you’ve been naughty or nice, Legal Talk Today hosted a very special guest. Santa Claus joined host Laurence Colletti, this writer, and Legal Toolkit host Jared Correa for an unforgettable holiday episode. Santa showcased his in-depth knowledge of intellectual property law, contracts, and pivoting to video via Santa Claus Calls during the pandemic.

Legal Talk Today

Santa Claus!

Best Books to Escape and Recharge

In this Modern Law Library year-ender, reporters and editors from the ABA Journal share the books they read (or listened to), enjoyed, and can recommend from 2020. Host Lee Rawles leads a discussion of comfort books such as Little House on the Prairie and Andre Agassi’s autobiography Open as a substitute for live sporting events. The group dives into heavier reading, and also notes favorite podcasts. They close with previews of wish-list books and listens for 2021.

Modern Law Library

Our favorite reads from 2020